You have some serious issues. (You will say "I am name calling" or "I am insulting you and I need to grow up," as that is the only way you answer but what the hell I'll try to explain this to you very clearly). By the way I read the whole post, and it seems like you ignore every post that completely owns you, and respond to the minor posts, for example this post, I never saw a response from you: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=6693511&postcount=153 1) This is from a TEXAS message board, a vast majority of posters are likely conservative, so saying everyone here has a liberal agenda, seems ridiculous. I am super moderate because no one's policies are perfect. I believe voting just purely based on republican or democrat makes no sense, but hell this argument is for another place and time. 2) Conservatives have their own agenda just as much as liberals do as you have made that painfully obvious in this thread, not sure if you are a massive troll, really hate black people, or just want as much freedom of guns as possible. It is definitely one of the 3. 3) Zimmerman ADMITTED to shooting him. At this point he is guilty until proven innocent, for the simple fact, he admits to it. Meaning he should be in jail, unless he can prove otherwise (as of now the facts we KNOW, he can't.) So lets talk about facts: I 100% agree we could use more facts, hell I wish there was a complete video with audio of exactly what happened and multiple different angles. Fact is though, most of the time you have to make a judgment call without all the facts. If we had all the facts, all the time, there would be absolutely no use for our justice system. Everything would be black and white. Regardless of bias, if you could please give me a reason of how a 250 lb man, can be scared of a 140 lb teenager who isn't holding a weapon please tell me. I'm around 160 lbs and I don't think I'd EVER be afraid of a 100 lb 17 year old without a weapon even if he was on cocaine. If he somehow did manage to scare me, I'd have no problem stopping him just by grabbing him/bear hugging him. I can't imagine a situation where I'd need more force than that (if you believe there is a situation please tell me.) No other facts really matter outside of how it was self defense and the fact that Zimmerman admitted to shooting him. Biased or not, it would take a pretty strong argument to claim a 250 lb man needs to use a gun to sedate a 140 lb teenager.
....and the insult train continues. Please, let's have a civil discussion. Starting off your post with this means you've lost before you've started. You must be new here. Your credibility has been dismissed after this comment. Wow. Take a look around, brah Shooting him alone doesn't mean he's guilty, if it was in self-defense. Can you always assume someone doesn't have a weapon? hmm. nope. There's one potential reason for you. There are others. Many of you just keep making the same fundamental logic mistakes over and over. It's unfortunate how you base judgment and decisions on incomplete facts and what the biased media spoon feeds you. Grow you mind, my brothers.
please read the thread. I've already fully established how the original article was biased. Intellectual laziness is something I cannot respect, and that is what you have displayed here. You can do better.
I doubt it. but if you say so based on my attempts to have Bigtexx come out the closet and be an open bigot...then so be it. I'm fine with your opinion that I'm a racist. BUT....I can tell you I'm a conservative and a realist and I know bigots when I come across them...whether in person, over the phone or by font and I just would like for bigtexx to come out and just admit that it's ok that this kid was shot in the chest and killed. Martin was gona eventually end up robbing or killing someone anyway....Zimmerman saw the Minority Report on this kid and pre-crime is no laughing matter.
Please point to any specific posts of mine that prove I'm a bigot. You toss out wild accusations, but I'm simply seeking more facts in this case. I have not displayed any bigotry.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/neighborho...s-questionable/story?id=15907136#.T2Cq5q7hH59 Looks like the Sanford PD was throwing Zimmerman a bone by leading him with questions and "correcting" a witnesses interpretation....
While we're correcting your unfortunate hold-overs from yesteryear, you can probably also drop your use of "brah". I am deeply embarassed for you.
I am not going to go that far. I think there is a possibility that this is self-defense and if I was a juror and all I had to go on was what is in this thread I wouldn't say ZImmerman is guilty. I am not a juror and this forum is "Debate and Discussion" not criminal court. The evidence so far shows a likelihood that Zimmerman is in the wrong here and that he started the confrontation. Again whether he felt he was threatened the problem is that he put himself in that situation. The specific question is how exactly did this progress from just exchanging angry words to violence. The Stand Your Ground defense can go both ways and if Martin felt he was threatened he has as much a right to use violence against Zimmerman and Zimmerman shooting him doesn't qualify as self-defense.
That is a good point. I am ambivalent about conceal in carry largely because I hear so many advocates of it point out how much training is required to get that license. Whether Zimmerman acted in self-defense or not at the minimum he was very irresponsible and never should've put himself in that situation in the first place. I don't know if because he had a gun he felt he could handle the situation or if he is just reckless to begin with. I suspect the latter.
You are cowardly justifying what Zimmerman did and trying to hide behind facts that aren’t there when the real facts are blatantly obvious…but of course it doesn’t back you argument, so you ignore them. It’s ok…. Only an non-bigot eye can really see what’s going on here. This kid was minding his business... He didn't approached Zimmerman, it's obvious Zimmerman approached him Zimmerman was told NOT to approach this kid because it’s not HIS JOB to do so… This kid had A RIGHT to defend himself from this stranger IF he did in fact get in to an altercation with Zimmerman. Zimmerman approached this kid and tried to detain him and when the kid didn’t comply….ultimately cost him his young life. Period. Zimmerman can't claim self-defense when he started the confrontation and then shoots the kid in the chest 70-10 feet from his father's home. Martin didn't start this problem....he was minding his business and Zimmerman took his life because he's like you....A BIGOT. You relate to him....he's familiar to you and you feel his actions are worthy of praise. Never ONCE did you say anything about how bad you feel for this kid life being taken or his family's loss! You know why? Because it's just ONE LESS THUG society has to deal with. You sir are a Class B Nincompoop.....You can't even tell the difference between a rat and possum man yet you think you OWN people lol RIP Trey, I hope the family finds strength to heal.
I've said from the beginning that we need more facts. There could indeed be scenarios that could have happened that could show that what Zimmerman did was in self-defense. You must be open to that possibility, as we do not have all the facts. Please point out a specific post that I've made that "cowardly justifies" what Zimmerman did. You're just making stuff up, to fit your own agenda. insults, insults, insults. Win, win, win for bigtexxx. Remember, when you have to resort to insults, you've lost any battle. You've lost this one, my friend.
What battle? Lost what? Is this a game to you? A child lost his life and you troll message boards to spew your racial and political bias. This is real life man and you're too silly to realize it. This kids life meant nothing to you and it's obvious. Get real and grow up. You're only smarter than the average bear.
Typical..........stereotype a person you have never met. What have I ever said that to you or anybody else that suggests that I am a sexist or a homophobe? I'll wait on you to find the post.......take your time
It would really suck to see this guy get away with nothing. He killed a young man who was on his way home. If Zimmerman hadn't erred in judgement on multiple occasions, Trayvon would still be alive. If he gets off, it will be likely thanks to a combination of a lack of witnesses and the letter of the law rather than the spirit. My assumption is that he Zimmerman probably did not initially intend to harm Martin, but based on some prejudice towards some combination of blacks, teenagers, hooded sweatshirts, and people walking in the rain, he did not trust him. He decides to follow and when he is noticed, and Trayvon turns on him instead of running, he was probably taken aback. They fought, and Zimmerman panicked and shot him. To me that is manslaughter, and I expect the DA to charge him with manslaughter. The evidence isn't available to prove murder.
I posted this already and those who stand behind the armed killer Zimmerman chose to ignore it or call it circumstantial. hopefully the State Atorney will get to the bottom of this and justice will be served.
