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[Official]New York Knicks TEAM thread

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by tinman, Feb 8, 2012.

  1. Spooner

    Spooner Member

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    I'm not a TracyMcGrady fan. You have me confused........

    WTF are you even talking about? If anything Lin needs to defer more. Why don't you look at his shot selection. The most shots Goran has taken as a starter is 14. Jeremy Lin averages more attempts per game than that.

    His last two games. 5 for 18 shots. 4 for 11 tonight. 18 shots. 18. And you want him to defer less?

    Goran Dragic last two games as a starter 8 for 14 and 7 for 11. Shooting over .600 as a starter.

    But yea, its all Melo and Amare's fault. Lin needs to take (miss) even more shots. He clearly isn't getting the ball enough.....

    Amare's last two games 4 for 9 and 7 for 12.
    Scola's last two games 6 for 10 and 15 for 25.

    Which point guard is deferring more? Who is taking the most shots?
     
  2. wekko368

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    Absolutely. But it's a good preliminary tool to gauge how a team fares when a certain player is on the court. I personally think its more revealing than simply listing points.

    Care to comment on any of your other examples?
     
  3. Mr. Space City

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    sometimes it doesn't tell the entire story i've seen heat boxscores we're lebron had monster games but scrubs like dexter pittman and joel anthony had a higher +/-

    i watched the games i mentioned and lin did not have good defensive performances in those games. it's not to single him out specifically because the knicks are not good defensively as a team but lin has sometimes were he gets lost.
     
  4. wekko368

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    And they all played comparable minutes?

    Which game was this?

    Did you watch those games? Even the Philly game? If so, why would you list William's points when Lin wasn't his primary defender? Is it b/c Lin's primary defensive assignment was Holiday and Holiday had a poor shooting night?

    You may have a valid point about Lin's defense, but it gets lost when you exaggerate on details. And when that happens, it looks like you're biased.
     
  5. Mr. Space City

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    http://www.nba.com/games/20120301/MIAPOR/gameinfo.html
     
  6. wekko368

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    Joel Anthony played 29.5 minutes and had a +21. James played 41 minutes and had a +8. That's a difference of 11.5 minutes. That's almost an entire quarter.

    In the Boston/NY game, Rondo played 48 minutes and had a +5. Ray Allen played 45 minutes and had a +22. That's a 3 minute differential.

    Do you think 3 minutes is comparable to 11.5?
     
  7. Mr. Space City

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    you think ray allen getting 12 points, 4 steals, and an assist in 45 minutes is more valuable than rondo getting 18 points, 17 rebounds, and 20 assist in 489 minutes?

    Adjusted +/- for a larger sample size is more credible than +/- for a single game imo
     
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    I think they're both valuable, but like I said before, Rondo's stats were deceptive.

    18 points on 20 fga and 7 fta is very inefficient. 17 rebounds is great for a pg, but the bulk of them were uncontested defensive rebounds. 20 assists is fantastic.


    Of course it is. But we're talking about single games. And even for single games, +/- is more telling than raw numbers.
     
  10. A_3PO

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    Listening to Hubie Brown's post-game remarks being replayed on ESPN just now, he pinned the Knicks problems on D'Antoni (very diplomatically of course). But there was really no doubt what he was getting at.
     
  11. Jontro

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    What was he getting at? I don't have ESPN.
     
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  13. ItsMyFault

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    Knicks have been overrated by many since this Linsanity thing happened. I've heard things like the Knicks being on the level of Miami and Chicago to them actually contending for a championship. Coaching isn't the only issue with this team, they're on the brink of not even making the playoffs and have guys that aren't willing to sacrifice their game for the good of the team. They also lack defense with some of their players which won't win you jack in the playoffs. They have to reevaluate things in the offseason. For now, they aren't going anywhere unless they make a major trade.
     
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    Knicks commit 3 major BB sins.
    1. Don't play defense.
    2. Turn the ball over...alot.
    3. Poor rebounding/ hustle plays.

    As for Lin, 12-15ppg is probably who he is. The expectations got to high after that run.
    Dude scores as 2140, Harvard, undrafted, makes minimum...etc.
    Overrated? No.
    Certainly has flaws.

    Amare & Melo are the Batman and Robin, they need to step up.
     
  15. A_3PO

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    He listed all of the Knicks problems and when he was finished said it was coaching that had to solve it. Without saying it outright, he implied coaching was why they had the problems to start with.

    Hubie Brown doesn't like to blame coaches for anything, but it was obvious to me what he meant. He won't be any more direct than that because that isn't his style.
     
  16. RedRedemption

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    Nobody that averages 2-3 steals per game should be called a bad defender.
     
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    Lin had a decent game.. Amare cant play D or rebound worth crap.. but I felt in the end part of the blame has to go to Lin and the coaching. FREAKEN POST MELO UP on that rookie the bulls were playing on him.
    Melo didnt have a single shot in the 4th till the final 2-3 mins
     
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    No one but Lebron James is Lebron James, but people with the build of James (e.g. Shumpert) should look at tape on how James guarded Rose.

    If you can take Rose out of the equation, you beat the Bulls - although I will claim that the Bulls' chemistry with each other is perhaps higher than any team's chem, at this point in time.
     
  19. VBG

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    Monta Ellis?
     
  20. Icehouse

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    Lin's avg is 1.7 spg.

    Nobody that the coach keeps having to switch off of dudes because he's getting lit should be called a good defender.

    And another poster mentioned Monta Ellis. Larry Bird has broken 2 spg mroe times than Kobe Bryant.
     

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