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Southern Republicans still think Obama is Muslim

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Batman Jones, Mar 12, 2012.

  1. Batman Jones

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    Not really. I asked for a plurality or a majority on a thing that had been disproven. The poll cited in your link is neither.

    It's an insane conspiracy to suggest that Bush knew when and where attacks would take place but it's absolutely true that he had knowledge of the danger of such an attack. He was strongly warned by people in his White House about Al-Qaeda planning an attack on our soil and he was warned it might come through the hijacking of a plane.

    Democrats might have answered that Bush had prior knowledge based on the conspiracy theory or based on the fact that he was warned that this sort of thing was pretty likely to be attempted and he ignored those warnings.

    So this question, broadly posed, is not even a disproven thing. Are you seriously comparing this to Republicans believing Iraq attacked us on 9/11? Or that Obama faked a Hawaii newspaper into printing a birth announcement for him, all the way from Kenya, when he was about one day old?

    And even if it did meet the criteria of a reasonable analogy, which it doesn't, it's still not a poll that cites a majority or a plurality.

    #nicetry
     
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    I didnt say it was better. There definitely is an anti-muslim sentiment in the US. This anti-Muslim sentiment spans across all political parties, race, and backgrounds.
     
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    keep up the good fight

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    If Republicans were 10% smarter or ballsier, then maybe their presidential candidates wouldn’t suck so much ass.
     
  6. Batman Jones

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    Yes, as Colbert pointed out, "the facts have a liberal bias."

    You used a lot of words to avoid answering my one and only point. Liberal bashing out the wazoo but not a single response to my actual premise. Weak.
     
  7. rocketsjudoka

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    Except did these same Southern Republicans also call Hillary Clinton or Bill a Muslim? Republicans hate the Clintons but I have yet to hear of accusations that they were Muslims or not born in the US. There is more to this than just simple hate of Obama because he is a Democrat.
     
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    This is the point that needs to be brought up over and over. Because Obama looks different than other Presidents many aren't willing to accept him for what he is.
     
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    Very weak post. Obama had an African Muslim father. Neither Clinton did.
     
  12. vlaurelio

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    if his dad's African, he must not have been born in America :eek:
     
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    Agreed. Clinton was a swindler, rapist, drug dealer, and murderer while Hillary was a lesbian who had an affair with Vince Foster and covered up his murder, but they were not the children of Muslims, if only because the wingnuts hadn't though of it yet.
     
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    I believe Obama's father was a diehard atheist. His only religion was worshiping white women. ZING

    FWIW, Obama didn't have religion as a child, but was raised among Muslims. If you actually read what he writes, Obama's connection with Christianity has as much to do with the cultural importance of the Church for American blacks, whom he was trying to identify with as the religion itself. Not sure whether he dropped his slave name Barry first or started going to church first.

    Today Obama doesn't even have a church. He attends services in chapel. How often he does, I'm not sure. Some Liberal on here probably knows.

    Why do you all even care if some inbred assholes think he is Muslim? He's still going to win the election. IMO it's not really clear even how Christian Obama is as opposed to it being a cultural sounding board and a political convenience.
     
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    I admit that my recollection of Bill Clinton's life story is a bit fuzzy at the moment, but I take it he had also a Muslim father, a Muslim step-father, and attended school in a Muslim country. I guess I also must have forgotten that Bill Clinton's middle name is "Hussein."
     
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    Who Gives a damn is he worships the sun god RA, is a muslim or any religion?

    Those are concerns when we don't have rampant unemployment, growing government encroachment into business and multiple wars and potentially other looming conflicts.
     
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    So then you agree that Southern Republicans don't just hate Obama because he is a Democrat?
     
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    Area Man Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines Constitution To Be

    Tuscaloosa, AL—Spurred by an administration he believes to be guilty of numerous transgressions, self-described American patriot SunsRocketsfan, 47, is a vehement defender of ideas he seems to think are enshrined in the U.S. Constitution and principles that brave men have fought and died for solely in his head.

    SunsRocketsfan would gladly give his life to protect what he says is the Constitution's very clear stance against birth control.

    "Our very way of life is under siege," said SunsRocketsfan, whose understanding of the Constitution derives not from a close reading of the document but from talk-show pundits, books by television personalities, and the limitless expanse of his own colorful imagination. "It's time for true Americans to stand up and protect the values that make us who we are."

    According to SunsRocketsfan—an otherwise mild-mannered husband, father, and small-business owner—the most serious threat to his fanciful version of the 222-year-old Constitution is the attempt by far-left "traitors" to strip it of its religious foundation.

    "Right there in the preamble, the authors make their priorities clear: 'one nation under God,'" said SunsRocketsfan, attributing to the Constitution a line from the Pledge of Allegiance, which itself did not include any reference to a deity until 1954. "Well, there's a reason they put that right at the top."

    "Men like Madison and Jefferson were moved by the ideals of Christianity, and wanted the United States to reflect those values as a Christian nation," continued SunsRocketsfan, referring to the "Father of the Constitution," James Madison, considered by many historians to be an atheist, and Thomas Jefferson, an Enlightenment-era thinker who rejected the divinity of Christ and was in France at the time the document was written. "The words on the page speak for themselves."

    According to sources who have read the nation's charter, the U.S. Constitution and its 27 amendments do not contain the word "God" or "Christ."

    SunsRocketsfan said his admiration for the loose assemblage of vague half-notions he calls the Constitution has only grown over time. He believes that each detail he has pulled from thin air—from prohibitions on sodomy and flag-burning, to mandatory crackdowns on immigrants, to the right of citizens not to have their hard-earned income confiscated in the form of taxes—has contributed to making it the best framework for governance "since the Ten Commandments."

    "And let's not forget that when the Constitution was ratified it brought freedom to every single American," SunsRocketsfan said.

    SunsRocketsfan's passion for safeguarding the elaborate fantasy world in which his conception of the Constitution resides is greatly respected by his likeminded friends and relatives, many of whom have been known to repeat his unfounded assertions verbatim when angered. Still, some friends and family members remain critical.

    "Dad's great, but listening to all that talk radio has put some weird ideas into his head," said daughter Samantha, a freshman at Reed College in Portland, OR. "He believes the Constitution allows the government to torture people and ban gay marriage, yet he doesn't even know that it guarantees universal health care."

    SunsRocketsfan told reporters that he'll fight until the bitter end for what he roughly supposes the Constitution to be. He acknowledged, however, that it might already be too late to win the battle.

    "The freedoms our Founding Fathers spilled their blood for are vanishing before our eyes," SunsRocketsfan said. "In under a year, a fascist, socialist regime has turned a proud democracy into a totalitarian state that will soon control every facet of American life."

    "Don't just take my word for it," SunsRocketsfan added. "Try reading a newspaper or watching the news sometime."
     
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    In South, GOP Voters Balance Faith, Defeating Obama
    by RUSSELL LEWIS

    It's election day Tuesday — this time in the Deep South as voters in Alabama and Mississippi head to the polls. GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney spent some time campaigning in the two states while Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich blanketed the region. And Santorum and Gingrich met at a forum Monday night in Birmingham in a last-minute effort to woo undecided voters.

    The setting couldn't have been more picturesque: the stately Alabama Theater in downtown Birmingham. About 2,000 Republican faithful turned out for the presidential forum, which began with a prayer.

    Alabama is in the Bible Belt — and it's the kind of place that when strangers are introduced, they ask what church you go to. So for Santorum, speaking in this most reliably Republican state, it was easy to feel right at home.

    I keep trying to make up my mind, you know. I don't want this thing to drag out until September because we need the time to fight Obama.
    - Billy Lauderdale, Alabama voter
    "When people read the Constitution and say, 'Oh, we get our rights from the Constitution,' that is wrong," he said. "The Constitution does not give us rights. It recognizes rights that are written on our heart because we are a creature of God. That's where we get our rights from."

    The forum Monday night was not a debate. Both Gingrich and Santorum were given 15 minutes to speak and then answered the same four questions from a panel.

    Both candidates repeated familiar campaign themes. Santorum: shrink the size and scale of federal government; allow more drilling for oil. Gingrich: lower gas prices by revamping U.S. energy policy; increase rather than decrease military spending. For the most part, the two candidates attacked President Obama and not each other.

    "We are not just in the business of defeating Obama," Gingrich said. "We are in the business of replacing the bureaucracies, replacing the laws, correcting the judges and getting back to a country that's on the right track."

    The crowd clapped and cheered many times during the candidates' comments. After the speeches, people streamed out of the theater. Billy Lauderdale of McCalla, Ala., was all smiles. But he still wasn't sure exactly who he's going to vote for Tuesday.

    "I keep trying to make up my mind, you know. I don't want this thing to drag out until September because we need the time to fight Obama," he said.

    Supporters and volunteers of the Alabama Republican Party gather outside before a forum at the Alabama Theater in Birmingham, Ala., on March 12.
    Lauderdale likes Gingrich but may end up choosing Romney, even though Romney and fellow Republican Ron Paul skipped this event. Several people said that irritated them so much, they won't vote for either one.

    For Becca Robinson of Oneonta, Ala., one candidate will get her vote: Santorum. And there's one reason why: "He wants to bring God into everything, and to me and my Christianity, that's what I needed to hear. You know, that's what we need," she said.

    When asked how important a role religion will be in the presidential race, Robinson didn't hesitate. "I think it should be the most important value to bring back our country the way it needs to be," she said.

    Judy Sellers came to the forum with her young daughter. "Everybody in America needs to pray, and just do what God has you to do as far as voting in the election," said Sellers, a nurse who said she is frustrated by Obama's signature health care law.

    Romney is a Mormon, an unfamiliar faith here. But his religion didn't come up among the dozen attendees I spoke with. Instead, for people like Judy Sellers, it was Obama's faith that was an issue.

    "I really don't think that a nation that falls on Muslim leadership, potentially, is going to be a nation that's going to survive," she said.

    Obama is a Christian, not a Muslim. It's an issue that came up four years ago when he ran for president.

    And it's not the only topic that made a return appearance last night. John Gentile of Crossville, Tenn., still doesn't believe Obama is allowed to be president because his father was born in Kenya.

    "I just don't like the directions that he's headed in, and personally I don't think he qualifies to be president under the 'natural born citizen.' In the Constitution it states that you have to have two parents that were born in the United States, so that there's no alternative allegiance by any member of the family," Gentile said.

    The Constitution actually doesn't say that.

    But it gets to the complicated nature in the Deep South of Republicans picking a presidential candidate they think can beat Obama in the fall. That's the choice voters in Alabama and Mississippi face Tuesday when they go to the polls.
     

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