Is Kevin Martin purposely dogging it to force a trade?

I understand that, but the guy hasn't declined at all this year as far as athletic ability is concerned. Shoot, the only thing that is remotely athletic about KMarts game is that quick first step, and I dont see that declining until he gets around this early 30's. The problem is all mental.... ALL mental.

My point is, the Rockets do not need the cap space. If they aren't getting anything from Martin.. sit him. You dont have to trade him if you aren't getting back decent value.

To expand on "value" nobody will give much of anything for Martin this year that wont require the Rockets to NOT take back a bad salary or a bad player. The Rockets front office knows he's going into his contract year, and contract year's ALWAYS get the best possible performance's out of a player. If he doesn't snap out of it, then what do they have to loose.

However, if a deal comes up before Thursday that gives them value in return Im sure they hesitate in pulling the trigor. Just dont be surprised when they keep him and he has a very good 2013 season.

 

No argument here because I don't think Pippen's time with the Rockets was a lengthy one.

 

I do not know what will become of him but I can assume the most likely outcome he has an entire season of under 12 points. IN CASE HE REALLY QUIT ON US.

... he will be bought out with this kind of contract.....

 

[rQUOTEr]With Kevin Martin’s role in the Rockets offense and in their rotation dramatically reduced as his performance and production have declined, Kevin Martin carefully addressed the potential that he could be moved by Thursday’s trade deadline.

He did not say he if he would prefer to be dealt or not, but for months since the preseason trade to New Orleans did not go through he has been clear that he hoped to remain in Houston. He did, however, seem ready to accept a change should he be part of a deal.

“My reaction is going to be, wherever I am, I’m going to play just how I have my whole career,” Martin said, pausing five times to choose his words cautiously. “I’m not 37, 38-years-old. My body feels great. My game has been fine before we went on the road. There’s just a lot of inconsistency this year about everything. It’s just about being consistent.”

Martin, who is a game-time decision for Tuesday’s game with a strained right shoulder, has made just 8 of 28 shots in the first four games of the road trip, sitting out the fourth quarter of each game, and averaging 6.5 points.

“I don’t know,” he said. “You know I’m frustrated. I don’t know. I can’t talk.”[/rQUOTEr]

 

I honestly think he isn't. I think he's grown accustom to underperforming on mediocre or losing teams and hits a "I don't give a crap" stride.

 

Yeah, I believe Kevin Martin is sucking it up too much for it to be a coincidence.

 

I won't be surprised.... that I can tell you. He is still a valid 3rd offensive option on a very good team but I think you need to have 2 very good two way players ahead of him.

 

Perfect fit in Adelman's system, no so much with McHale. Failed trade really hurt his feelings despite his comments. Feels like he is a goner. He is in a deep funk. He is great scorer and all this is a shame. I think he is the best player on the team. Very poorly managed at the present time. Like I said in another thread, this team is a mess.

 

A buyout is a very rare in a situation like this where a player of his caliber of talent is bought out in the last year of his contract. He still have value until next February(trade deadline) as an expiring contract that could allow a team to take a flyer on a once Elite scorer who has been in a funk(but has not declined athletically and is healthy) that allows that team to rid themselves of a bad contract or two to a team like the Rockets who are willing to take a bad contract or two for an asset in return.

With the new CBA deals like that are not as likely as they were in 2009/10 when everyone was preparing for the summer of Lebron, but there are still opportunities out there. However, if they hold on to Martin past the trade deadline next year they have sacrificed nothing but cap space (which they dont need YET) and a roster spot(given the 15th man on the bench is Hasheem Thabeet) to hold on to Martin to see if he can get out of his shooting slump.

However, the Rockets front office and coaching staff just need to watch and make sure he isnt going to be a huge lockeroom disaster. That can KILL a young team from the inside out. If Martin has given up on his team and wants out, then you have to look at other options. If he is still putting forth effort with this team then you are better off just holding onto him if you cant get a deal that makes sense financially and basketball wise.

 

can't we try to trade him to Minny? i mean he loves working with Adelman and Adelman loves working with him. Minny would be very open to a trade.

 

Its disappointing if there is truth to this. Frankly, if he wants to stay or avoid being traded he would make himself an indispensable asset/player/teammate. The truth of the matter is he has proven to plays effectively and consistently in only one system, adelmans system. Any other NBA, aside from the TWolves, can only hope to incorporate him effectively into their system, which may be a huge gamble. Ultimately, the relationship between some of the rockets players and management have soured since the season began. Hopefully this does not last long and the rockets can make a solid trade to build upon at the trade deadline. ( personally, im hoping for josh Smith).

 

You need two sides to get a trade done. Plus remember that Minny will be competing with the Rockets for years to come in the playoff standings. I dont think KAHN will want to help his competition out any more than he has to.

So who does Minnesota have that makes sense???...-

-Beasley....-EHHH- requires Minny to take back an additional 12 MM next season. (keep in mind Beasley is in the last year of his deal. They can just let him walk if they want.)

-Pekovic- Decent/good 7fters dont grow on trees. Whose going to replace the production and size they have in the middle???... Darko???.... Plus, again the TWolves would be taking on an additional 8 MM next season and leave themselves with a gaping hole in the middle.

-Derrick Williams- 2nd pick in the draft.... your kidding right???

Does Minnesota want Kevin Martin?- sure they do, but what are they willing to give up? not a whole lot they can give up that makes sense. Alway try to put yourself in the shoes of the other GM when you think of deals to see if its actually plausible. The Rockets have very little risk in holding on to Kevin Martin throughout the season.

If they cant find any takers, theres no reason why they should take back a package that includes Brad Miller, Martel Webster, and Anthony Randolph for Martin. Thats the kind of deal that makes sense for Minnesota right now. Is that worth giving up a very low risk Kevin Martin???? You just cant deal him just to deal him guys.

 

The Toronto Game. That is all.

 

I think it has more to do with the system than anything else. I think if he was with RA he would be playing just like last year.

The offense ran well last year, I really don't understand why Mchale isn't running the exact same offense. With last years offense and our somewhat improved defense we would be doing better than we are now.

 

If Martin is really dogging it to be moved, then he would be playing the fool, because god knows where he could end up. As we all know, there are far, far worse places to be than Houston, and absolutely no assurance that Martin would end up with a good team. For that reason alone, I don't believe he is "playing his way into a trade." The guy is too smart to be that stupid. So, in my opinion, there are two reasons for his terrible, inconsistent play. One, I think the b*stard Stern busting the deal blew a hole in his confidence. He thought he had found a team that not only wanted him, but was a good fit, a good organization, a good system, a brilliant coach... in short, home. Two? Morey and Alexander foolishly tossed Adelman to the curb. THAT blew Martin's mind. A new coach with little head coaching experience, with a "system" many of us are still trying to put our finger on, a totally different way of handling the rotation and the players, no doubt, different practices, and much more if one wished to continue speculating. And, of course, Martin isn't the only player hammered by the changes. Luis Scola obviously has taken a long time to adjust, and has faced the same uncertainties. So has Bud. People tend to discount these things, or ignore them, but I believe the impact has been huge.

We'll have to see what happens. Yes, Martin hasn't handled it well, but his struggle hasn't been in a vacuum.

 

If that is all true what you said you are still stuck with the wrong first option on this team.
We were a scrappy team that won 22 in a row... and Martin was no part of this tough minded team. He has no place on a playoff team if he acts like a Baby after his Adelman Daddy has gone.

 

jus tryin to bring down the price for the fuher...

 

Rubbish IMO.

All I see is a player slumping, and a bunch of fans looking for a reason to hate the guy.

I doubt management views him any different this year, than they did last year.

 

If he can lead us to the playoffs... then he won't be 'hated on'.