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Rudy Gay's about to show the world he's on Durant's level

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by what, Jan 4, 2012.

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  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    yeah, you should trade a second tier star for a guy who shouldn't be starting to win a championship. look how fantastic that worked out. there's no hindsight here, the trade was bad all kinds of ways. you knew tracy was injury prone. your justification for trading for a bench player is that your championship window was closing?
     
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    There's no hindsight? Gay wasn't exactly Lebron when he was drafted, multiple stats have shown that he was one of the league's worst defenders during his rookie years. In fact, Gay was so awesome the Grizzlies started collecting top 5 lottery picks under his leadership, guys like Conley Jr, Mayo and Thabeet were drafted after Gay tried carrying the Grizz. I don't know if you got the memo, but for a 2nd tier star he's done a lousy job making his team better.

    As for Battier, its not fair to compare him to Gay because he's basically the same age as Tmac and Yao, around 6 years older than Gay was. All I'm gonna say is, Battier and Gasol were able to make a Grizzlies team reach the playoffs just the two of them, with absolute trash like old Damon Stoudemire as their teammates. That's a testament to how good Gasol is, but it also tells you Battier does a lot to help his team win, as we saw during his stay here.
     
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  3. SamFisher

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    SO basicallly the Rockets should have chucked the whole thing in 2005, given the keys to Rudy Gay, and put Yao/Tracy on ebay is what you're saying? That's just silly.

    They had a tight window, they opted for the veteran role-player over the rookie who would go on to become a second-tier star. I'm ok with that now, given that Gay's lack of upwardly-trending development kind of makes him into what some would call.....fool's gold.

    I'm kidding, he's not fool's gold, I don't think anybody really overvalues him other than here. He is what he is, and we've said it a hundred times. A nice player but not anybody to lose sleep over.
     
    #583 SamFisher, Mar 12, 2012
  4. what

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    yao and tracy we're never close to doing anything in the playoffs. chucking the whole thing assumes that they we're on the cusp of something which they never were.

    a team of underachievers that never was close to competing for a title. Let's not sit around here talking as if Yao and Mcgrady were Bird and Mchale going for one last run.

    it's a rocket's fanboy fantasy to say otherwise.
     
    #584 what, Mar 12, 2012
  5. SamFisher

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    You're generally acting too stupid to respond to at this point, so I have nothing to do other than let Rudy Gay's playoff record speak for itself, here it is:
     
    #585 SamFisher, Mar 12, 2012
  6. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    did i say that just as i didn't say they giving the keys to battier (which would be the other option). i said it then, and i say it now, yao/tracy, then your third star is battier? stupid plan then, stupid plan now. in gay you had a guy who could score right out of college, and then later you would find out if he could replace tracy. replacing tracy in hindsight would have been wrong, but so is giving him up for a guy who can't even get off the bench now.
     
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  7. SamFisher

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    I went over this with lebigeez in another thread - Gay was horrible at scoring his first year, it basically took him~ 2x (or more, i forget) as many touches to equal Shane Battier's output on offense. Yes, Shane Battier's 10 ppg zenith.

    He wouldn't have been the third option, he would have been about the 8th best option on a team that didn't even have a ton of good options to begin with (and also a team that played a slow pace and didin't have a lot of possessions). And obvioulsy his defense was not good to put it charitably.

    Edit: It's from earlier in this thread:

     
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  8. what

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    battier was a great player no doubt, and yao, when healthy was a beast. But operating now as if the rockets were on the cusp of something is factually wrong.

    you guys had yao and mcgrady for 2 years in their prime over a 3 year span and managed nothing more than first round exits. One year you didn't even make the playoffs.

    the yao and mcgrady era is a failure for that reason alone. It had nothing to do with injuries, it was that yao and mcgrady couldn't get it done, period.

    To then trade away a valuable draft pick to keep it going was mistake number 1. Rockets management got enthralled by "so called" star players and lost their mind.

    The irony here is that Battier was the one guy on that team who was a winner. The second tiered star.

    In 08-09 when yall had metta peace, scola, landry, hayes and battier, mutumbo yall had a chance with this group until yao went down, but it was because of all those other guys. This team had defense to burn.
     
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  9. pgabriel

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    he averaged 15 in feb and 14 in march of his rookie year. it took him sometime to adjust but the rockets could have waited and given he averaged 20 the next year, i'm sure he would have been a better option come playoff time when the lost against utah with homecourt advantage. also pau only played 59 games that year and his next best teamate was mike miller. i'm sure he would have had some easier opportunities next to yao and mcgrady.
     
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  10. SamFisher

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    He averaged that many points in February and March because he played huge minutes and was given free reign to shoot away on a bad, 27-win team that was playing for the lottery after starting out 6-24. His development would have been a lot different in Houston.
     
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    There is so much fail in this post its laughable.

    Not even worth responding tbh
     
    #591 larsv8, Mar 12, 2012
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    :confused:
     
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    :cool:
     
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    Gotta give Gay one thing, he's clutch
     
    #594 Sydeffect, Mar 16, 2012
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    Congrats. You tied the Raptors.

    On a more serious note, glancing at the boxscore... what the heck's going to happen to OJ anyways? Are the Grizzlies going to try to keep him?
     
    #595 Kojirou, Mar 16, 2012
  16. apollo33

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    ****ing Rudy GAY MAN
     
    #596 apollo33, Mar 16, 2012
  17. Carl Herrera

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    #597 Carl Herrera, Mar 16, 2012
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    How did Z-Bo look?
     
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  19. Carl Herrera

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    He looks roughly like this, I'd imagine:

    [​IMG]
     
    #599 Carl Herrera, Mar 16, 2012
  20. apollo33

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    He looks more bald actually more like a teenage ninja turtle lol
     
    #600 apollo33, Mar 16, 2012
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