It's time to wave the white flag on the 2011-2012 season

"Hey, as the boss of this hamburger restaurant I demand you make hamburgers"

"**** you, I want to make hotdogs, what are you going to do about it?"

 

Thank you for pointing this out. Before I got to the 3rd page, I was literally about to say the same exact thing to Dakota.

Stop blaming Morey, the fault lies at Alexander's feet. You want to rant and rave about someone, it should be him. Then you go on to say it's his fault for not standing up the OWNER of the team. That's laughable, but I'd like that too. It only happens in a fantasy world where doing that wouldn't get you fired however.

In short, I agree with everything you're saying Dakota, except for where you're placing the blame. I actually knew we would be here when the season started barring a big trade and here we are. Through no fault of Morey's. He actually had a great trade in place in one sense, but it wasn't to be.

 

And flipped a first-rounder for TheRealTWill, the face of the FAIL foursome from '09.

 

How many games have you been really watching? There has been plenty of games where Martin was benched for poor play or one of our bench guys were producing more in the current game.

And people need to stop acting like they would enjoy watching a 15 win team. Sure it means we get a good draft pick but watching your home team winning only 15 games is not fun. If you thought the attendance was bad, wait until you see how many people show up for a 15-win team. People would still be in here b****ing regardless, about how bad we suck, the coaching, why haven't there been any major trades, how we can't even string together 2 straight wins, ect. ect..

 

I 100% agree. We suck right now. Trade Martin + Scola. Bring in Turner +Okafor and pick. Trade Dragic. Play Morris.

 

LOL yeah, because the Knicks are instant contenders, right? People need to stop acting like Lin is a can't miss superstar. If he develops into one, then yea it'll hurt. But as of now, no. He's a good player but cmon, he's not Deron Williams or a Rondo. What about the Warriors? His homtown team, signs him, had him for an entire season and released him. I believe passing on DeAndre Jordan was a much biggest mishap for Morey than Lin was.

 

"Hey, as the boss of this hamburger restaurant, I demand you make hamburgers."

"You know boss, I've done a lot of market research, and I see a lot of untapped potential in the underserved hotdog market. We'd probably take a bath in our first year as we build up the hotdog business, but I think we should do the switch because once it gets going the margins will be fat and the demand will be through the roof. Here's a powerpoint that proves how we'll make a gazillion dollars if we stop with the burgers and start selling hotdogs."

"Hmm, very interesting and your powerpoint is water-tight. Go forth! And make hotdogs!"

 

This thread is hilarious. You think Morey and les are sitting here and actually reading these comments? You think they will suddenly change their minds because you posted this thread telling them to give up on the season.

What is the point of this thread basically? Bottom line is as a fan you root for a team to win games. Even at the start of the season I wanted them to tank but I never want them to lose. Its one of those things where a win is rooted fr but a loss is understandable. Basically a win-win scenario as a fan for me.

That time has passed now. It's way too late to tank. Rockets are in the playoff hunt.

 

That's not what I asked sweetheart, if you're having trouble, take another 10 minutes, reread the post, and try again.

 

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Originally Posted by DaDakota View Post
It is not strange at all Larv, he is the man in charge, the guy making the decisions, it is his strategy the team is following.

He chose the coach, he chose the players, that is what happens when you are the leader of an org, you get the blame and you get the credit.

Right now, DM has done an OK job, but the cracks in his dam are getting worse and worse, and he is running out of fingers.

I am not satisfied with mediocrity, and I don't believe in excuses.

DD
False. The man in charge is named Les.

The players are the ones out there losing to the Raptors, again, provide a credible link that shows that it's Les who picked these players and Morey did not.

 

Nobody is claiming what you are suggesting.

 

And no way theres a BoguT/Jackson for Martin/Dalembert trade on the table. Probably just some fans suggestion. Bucks GM cant be that dumb.

 

^^^^ This

 

You honestly believe that tanking is "water-tight" in terms of future success? Honestly, if the Rockets tanked this season, I think there's 50/50 chance they become a top 4 seed in 3-4 years, while being below average before then. OTOH, had the original Gasol trade went down and they potentially resigned Hayes, I think they could be a top 4 seed this year or the next.

I'm sure while Morey does believe that the path to basketball success is "easier" when you tank, the negative impact that comes with tanking is obviously something that the business side of the Rockets could not handle. And no employee is going to tell his boss that the company should lose tons of money on the hope of future success that may or may not come to fruition.

 

I have no clue what the Bucks are thinking. I do read they will ship Jennings out 'at the right price', of course that could be said for anyone. Ilyasova has threatened to take his talents back overseas if he doesn't get 'paid'.

For sure the MBs would love to jettison SJax. How motivated mo-ti-va-ted are they to move any/all of the others? That's the interesting question, and ultimately an interesting outcome IMHO.

 

How many teams are one piece away? Maybe the Lakes if they fell into the right '1'. Maybe the Clips if they fell into the right '3'.

The Rox will be active because they need to be active and it's the easiest thing in the basketball world to say that the Rox will be active. I suspect that three deals will be the o/u by Deadline.

 

Why do all you Morey followers refuse to make him responsible? No owner wants to lose. Every owner wants his GM to come to him and say I have a plan that I think can keep us winning and on a championship path. If Morey would have accomplished that surely he would have received all of the glory. And God knows he likes glory. (Why else does he run these geeky conferences (opinion).

So Morey says, "it has never been done before" (Rebuilding without losing). But he said that after the fact and it sounds more like an excuse. Like we are trying something different here and it didn't work out so don't blame me because it was something never done before. He is the basketball mind. It's his job to tell the owner if you truly want to rebuild this team I think we have to endure a couple of really bad years to get some all stars in here.

He didn't say that. I don't think he believed that. I think he really believed he could trade and maneuver his way back into contention without losing. I think he wanted to show the world he had system unlike any other and one day they would make a movie about him. And if he didn't believe than you have to ask the question, "Stupid if it had never been done before why did you do it. Did you think it would work here in Houston where we always get our stars through the draft. Did you really think driving around in a stupid red truck with screaming Rowdy loons (no offense rowdies) was going to get Chris Bosh to sign and the rebuilding would begin. Did you really think signing all or some of those 09ers would turn into stars or at least valuable assets. Did you really think signing Lin and then releasing him without looking at him would be acceptable to the fans.

The answer is yes he did believe and that is why he deserves blame for this. He is the GM he controls the ship. And if he didn't believe in it than he was stupid not to go to his owner and say hey this won't work. You think Les' who is spending all those bucks on a room full of geeky stat guys wouldn't listen to the man he believes is the smartest guy in the room.

Sure Les has the final word but these are Morey deals. Les didn't search out Twill and Flynn and say go get those guys. He is molding this team with a huge staff of Morey Ballers who work every day to give the coaching staff the best stats to win and he has a coach who thinks those stats are worthless. That all they do is tell you to shoot free throws. Hell he could have hired me. I believe there is more value in his stats than that.

Let's face the reality. Moreyball or Moneyball has never won a championship. All it has done is make it possible for teams with less money to compete with the big boys and I think Morey reinforced that even moreso. Finding players like Scola and Parsons and Lowry and Battier who leave their heart on the court everyday helps us win more games than we should. Helps us always contend for that 8th playoff spot and helps us maintain mediocricy.

Morey's ideas were always innovative and always seemed possible. It's very likely if we could have signed Bosh or we could have gotten Gasol and Nene on this team things would have been different. But the reality is the Hornets had to be raped for that to happen. And the end Stern nor anyone else in the league wouldn't bend over for Morey. So in the end it's own Morey.

So let us see what Morey does with Dragic. Does he trade him now with Lowry out for 15 games. If he does we will certainly be in tank mode. Does that mean he has finally realized he can't rebuild without losing. And if he doesn't trade Dragic now will he allow Dragic to walk for nothing knowing Dragic wants to start and there are at least a handful of teams with cap space in need of a pg and who Dragic would handily play for over houston knowing he would be second fiddle to Lowry. Morey would have to convince Dragic that he would be the starter to sign here and also pay his market value which will be more than he is worth because this off season will clearly be a sellers market.

This off season should be very telling of how good our GM really is. Unlike some Morey followers I do think he deserves quite a bit of blame for this team as it stands. But that is not to be confused with wanting to fire him. I think Morey is smart and a quick learner. I do think he is made some great trades and some not so great ones. I think he has made some great 2nd round picks but his firsts have been questionable. (For the record I had us with Batum, Sanders and Leonard and I'm just an Old Man). So he is learning on the fly and I think he is better now than when he started and that makes him better than most GM's in the league. I am interested in seeing how he tries the right the ship. But regardless of that I want to see this team turn around. Give me something to be optimistic about.