This pretty much says it all. Peyton getting released was just the first step of many that he has to go through before stepping foot on an NFL field. Its still not even a 100% certain that he is even going to play again! Last report I saw, which was yesterday, states he is still a long ways away from regaining full arm strength which the article even questions if he can even get there. And people want to basically get rid of Schaub for potentially a noodle armed Peyton Manning who could go down after his first hit leaving us with just TJ Yates for not just next season but the following seasons after that since we let go of Schaub to bring in Peyton. No one will know how Peyton's body will react after taking shots and they won't know until he takes the field. Then there's cap considerations, we still need to restructure and cut players to just sign Myers and potentially Briesel and Dressen, how much is Peyton going to want? Can we even afford Peyton AND Myers? What if we can only afford Peyton plus our rookies this year. Fans are willing to let 2 of our starting offensive linemen go just to sign Peyton when this is a guy you need to protect more than ever? A rookie 5th round QB almost won us a playoff game in Baltimore, our starting QB who had us on track for a #1 seed is still under contract and is coming back next year. I'm not really willing to potentially get rid of Schaub and Myers plus others just to bring in a damaged Peyton Manning just for his name.
charlie palilo flat out said that. if you're interested come out and say it, if you're NOT come out and say it. take a stance texans.
This What I've learned about the Texans is that they don't take chances (too conservative). Low risk, low reward; high risk, high reward is the way I see it. How long have we needed to upgrade our WR position, but pass on guys (T.O., Moss, Brandon Lloyd ect.) and sign JJ and KW (which I didn't mind but he's a 3rd/slot reciever) to long contracts. Yes this is an oppinion fromthe ouside looking in cause we don't know if they tried to upgrade the position, or gave T.O., Moss or even denver a call to see what it would take for Lloyd. Tired of the status quo and playing it safe with this organization. Hell we even stayed with Carr too long, because he was our #1 overall draft pick. Back to the subject at hand. Manning at 85-90% is on par with a 100% Schaub, which no one knows if Schaub will be 100%. A healthy Manning is head and shoulders better than Schaub. So with not knowing if Schaub is going to be healthy, why not see if Manning can still throw (which we've seen a small sample in the video). If they can get him for a little more than what Schab is being paid, then why not take a chance. Again we don't know their intentions, but it would be stupid to not just at least kick the tires and see what happens.
Yeah you are right on the T.O. part, but I was just making the point that they never take a chance even when we clearly have a need. So there is no way they entertain Manning, even though they should take a look.
They were right not to take a chance on T.O. and Moss, both players proved that. The Texans have had other needs in the past outside of WR that they've needed to address and resources are not unlimited. They took a chance trading 2 2nd round picks and switching 1st round picks to obtain a relatively unproven Matt Schaub when they needed a quarterback. They took a chance bringing in Bernard Pollard when they needed a safety. They took a chance on Ahman Green. They've given big money to Antonio Smith who excelled on a Super Bowl team. You can't say the Texans never take chances just because they don't bring in every NAME free agent out there. Lance Zierlien believes that after the Arian deal we are 7-8 million OVER the cap. Jay Glazer is reporting the cap is only going to increase by less than half a million. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/11/as-expected-cap-comes-in-at-120-6-million/ Matt Schaub has a cap hit of 8.3 million. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/matt-schaub/ If we cut/trade Schaub, how much dead money is created? You want to sign Manning to slightly more than Schaub so 9 million? We need about 5 million to sign our upcoming rookies and we still have our starting center and starting right guard as unrestricted free agents (assuming Mario is finished here). We can restructure and probably create 12-16 million but apparently we are starting with being 7-8 million over the cap already. How will this all work? If Manning doesn't work out and is 1 and done due to health, you left your Super Bowl caliber team with no starting quarterback going forward outside of TJ Yates. TJ better continue to improve or you just greatly limited the potential of this team, and now have to worry about finding a quarterback (something teams have spent years trying to do)
Why in the world would the Texans want to broadcast to the rest of the league what they are thinking and doing simply to satisfy the curiosity of a small percentage of its fan base? That makes no sense at all.
I'm honestly amazed someone hasn't created a webapp where you can play with salaries and see how it affects the cap. Surely all the teams have software that does this, along with optimization capability. Are there NFL games like Madden that you can just plug our current team contracts into?
Here we go Texans apologist. Those are not high risk, high reward moves as I said. None of those moves could have possibly taking us to Super Bowl level. Adding Manning or adding a #2 WR could. By the way I never said they should get T.O. or Moss, just they needed to do something. I understand having other needs, but damn you tell me they couldn't add another WR. It ticks me off when I look at other teams and they are an easy 3-4 WR deep and we only have 1. Colts, Giants, Packers, Steerlers, Eagles, Falcons just to name a few. And if the argument is going to be that the QB makes them better than they really are, then that means Schaub is not that top QB as most claim him to be. Manning is, or he use to be, as many want to say he can't anymore. Sorry for the double post but had to fix the quote so it would be easier to read.
you must be under a rock. the entire national and local (bob allen started it) media has been speculating and 9 out of 10 phone calls to every station in town is about manning.\ with all that noise, the texans should just come out and take a stance. what are they afraid of?
I am as much a "Texans apologist" as you are a Texans whiner... Status quo? Are you kidding me? Did you not pay attention at all last off season? The Texans spent big money on Johnathon Joseph and Daniael Manning, spent their first two picks on Watt and Reed then traded back into the 2nd to get Harris. They brought in Wade Phillips and an entirely new defensive staff and scheme. The Texans recognized a need on defensive and aggressively filled it while maxing their cap doing so. Like I said, resources aren't unlimited. Last off season they spent it on defense, this off season I am 100% certain a #2 WR will be brought in through one of their first 2 picks in the draft or in FA. I'm sorry their busy off season last year and what they accomplished over the year didn't satisfy you. We wouldn't be in a position to come close to a Super Bowl if it wasn't for their "status quo" off season of fixing the defense. You also honestly believe that adding a healthy Matt Schaub to the lineup that played in Baltimore isn't capable of competing and winning a Super Bowl? I think they had a great chance of getting there, our team with Schaub last season was dominant and on pace for a #1 seed plus he's already under contract. Those teams might be stacked at WR but out of the ones you named..only the Giants made it further in the playoffs and the Packers got eliminated the same day we did. Those teams might be 3 WR's deep but the Texans dominate them in depth at almost every other position due to their "status quo" mentality. Now when the new fiscal year begins on Tuesday, the Texans will have an opportunity through the draft or FA to add a #2 to one of the most balanced teams in the NFL. And they actually did do SOMETHING. They got Derrick Mason for free who caught more balls than Moss and TO did combined last season. And then back to Manning, how would we bring him in? Zierlein's report of us being 7-8 million over might not be accurate but I strongly believe we are right up against the cap if not over. Again, the cap only increased by a few hundred thousand. We need to set aside 5 million to sign the rookies, then there's Myers, Mario, Briesel, and Dressen among others as UFA. Some of those guys are going to have to go if Manning wants money and our FA's are asking for too much. Then your going to have to find a way to replace those guys. Its easy to say "Yea bring in Manning and a #2 WR like Vincent Jackson or Reggie Wayne (just throwing out names)" without explaining how to get it done.
Ok you win. I didn't read the rest, didn't need to. I don't get on here to argue a point. You feel the way you do, as I feel the way I do. Many agree with me, as many agree with you.
WHO CARES if sports radio listening idiots are speculating about Manning? Why would the Texans tell their competition what they're thinking? I mean, if you can't see this I can't help you.
team with qb in Schaub class: Baltimore San Francisco those two teams are just like the Texans, they have an excellent defense, great running back, and a QB who is worse than Schaub.
Exactly. We have people in this thread predicting 6-10 and coaches getting fired if we don't sign Manning. It's as if last season didn't happen. Like I said earlier, we as Texan fans are so conditioned to SUCKING that we don't really know how to react when we have a really good team. Before anyone starts calling me a Texans apologist or a Schaub nut-hugger....I think we SHOULD inquire about Manning. I don't think we should worry about Schaub's feelings, he's a big boy, he can take it. But if for some reason we don't, we're still going to have a really good team next year and I'm not going to slit my wrists and scream "I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!111" every time Schaub throws an incomplete pass next year. We're going to be a lot of people's pick to win the AFC next year - with or without Manning.
