Rudy Gay's about to show the world he's on Durant's level

In 5 pt or less games, Kevin Martin has made 3/18 shots with 2 minutes left to go, and 5/26 with 5 minutes left. That looks pretty bad to me.

Kyle Lowry has made 7/20 with 2 minutes left, and 13/35 with 5 minutes left. (Not bad, and at least he's not a scared choker like Martin.)

Rudy Gay has made 12/21 with 2 minutes left, and 17/32 with 5 minutes left.

With the data you showed that accounts for foul shots, Martin does get to the line...but don't you think it’s usually because someone else on our team hit the big shots to get us the lead...and then we put the ball in Martin’s hands for the opposing team to foul and extend the game? I remember being shocked when Martin drew a foul at the end of that recent Philly game, because more often than not the refs swallow their whistles and don’t bail him out.

I really am curious, you said before that Martin was better than Gay last season, and now with the rule changes they are about the same. Do you still feel that way? Martin seems to never really help our team when it counts.

 

Maybe people would put the ball in Gay's hands to shoot FTs if he wasn't missing half of his in crunch time. Shooting 53% in those situations is less impressive when none of those shots are 3s and you cant hit your foul shots.

This thread should be about the grizz's true best player this season, Gasol.

 

Last season Gay made 80% of his FT’s in crunch time, so I really don’t think he’s a liability in those situations. Sam Fisher said his data is more accurate and indicative, but it was also last updated nearly a month ago. It will definitely be interesting to see how all these crunch time numbers end up when this entire season is over.

So far we CAN say Rudy Gay’s crunch time FG% has been excellent, and to me someone who can rise up and drain big shots like that is really valuable. Not saying he’s an elite player like the OP...But he is a pretty reliable closer and I wish people would just admit it instead of hating on him so much and acting like the Rockets couldn’t use someone like him right now.

 

no, it seems like you guys aren't willing to admit that most of the morey jock riders (i know you aren't one) were wrong.

how about this, for the first time since he has been in memphis he has been relied upon to be the man. he first defered to pau, then to z-bo, now he has to be the go to guy and he has responded.

see its all about the spin, but whether he's overpaid, not durant, or whatever, the rockets look like fools for not keeping this guy for a guy who has all but disappeared in his quest to kiss lebron's ass for a ring.

 

Such a gay thread.

 

It's always nice to see people compare player accomplishments 6 years later when judging a trade. You are the smart ones who understand that when you have a top 5 player and the best center in the NBA, you should try to develop that raw rookie who couldn't shoot straight, pass, defend, make good decisions... just so that 6 years later he could make an otherwise an average team to slightly higher sights.

 

No, Gay is better. He's putting up a 17.6 PER vs. Martin's 17.4 PER!

THat .2 is very Max-worthy.

Dude, come on PG.

If this is true then why is he putting up identical numbers to when he wasn't the man?

He's actually getting fewer touches this season than in previous seasons, and playing fewer minutes.

This rationale is completely fabricated. He's not doing anything this year that he hasn't done for the past 6 (actually he's never been able to match his second season).

If you look up the definition of "plateau" in the dictionary, then tilt it slightly downward.... you see a picture of Rudy Gay.

 

Nevermind. It’s impossible to have an objective conversation about Rudy Gay’s abilities here.

When you bring up the fact that Rudy Gay has the ability to hit big shots that few players do, everyone just dismisses it. The argument goes back to PER, which even Hollinger admits isn’t a once-and-for-all evaluation of a player’s abilities. Or the conversation will shift to Rudy Gay’s contract…but what does it really matter how much Memphis is paying him? They’ve put together a team that’s a serious threat in the west, period. Even Morey was willing to overpay to have a team that’s fighting for home court in the playoffs…as evidenced by his willingness to max out Nene and his 16.7 PER. Nene, who's never in his career even warranted serious All-Star consideration.

Rudy Gay is a really good player, no matter how many Clutchfans members have trouble admitting it.

 

Its hard for people to take you seriously when you dismiss things like facts and salaries and just focus on how clutch rudy gay is. PER isn't a be-all and end-all metric, but its a decent enough metric for players who are expected to put up numbers on the board, which is what Rudy Gay does. Apart from his rebs and points, Nene happens to be one of the league's best PNR defending big men, and that's something which doesn't show on PER. This, along with the scarcity of quality big men, bump up his value which makes him worth his salary. Gay oth, doesn't really provide anything other his stas, he's not an exceptional leader, playmaker nor a great defender, more or less the same guy as Kevin Martin, a guy making half his salary.

Oh, but stuff like salaries vs production and basic statistics seem way too complicated for you to understand. Just live in fantasy land together with what and talk about how Gay is on Durant's level simply because he's sooooo clutch

 

It’s hard for anyone to take you seriously when you’re saying I dismiss facts when you’re making up facts in this very post.

Here is a fact: Kevin Martin makes $12M and Rudy Gay makes $15M. Basic numbers are too complicated for me to understand but 12 is half of 15 to you?

Here is another fact: a lot of people said Memphis would fall out of the playoff race without Randolph because Rudy Gay is fool’s gold hot garbage. But here Memphis is, sitting at 3rd in the west with Gay as their leading scorer. Does he have the help of other young guys who have grown their game? Of course. I have never said he was an elite player who can carry a team all by himself, but he does have a very valuable skillset of being able to create and make shots in crunch time situations.

Here is another fact: I have never said Rudy Gay is on Durant’s level. I have contended that he’s a really good player and better than a lot of posters here give him credit for:

Try to keep up.

 

I'm all for your trolling, but that is just beyond ridiculous. Highest rated....yet taken #8.

 

Par for the course.

 

counter point

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/adam-morrison

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/lamarcus-aldridge

 

Water is about to show the world it isn't wet.

 

NBADRAFT.net compared Adam Morrison to Larry Bird and rated the best player, Lamarcus Aldridge, in the draft as a 92. 'Nuff said.

 

GAY AND DURANT ON SAME LEVEL

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