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KONY 2012

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  1. Invisible Fan

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    I've donated oxfam only to be put on a never ending charity mailing list.

    Make the donation anonymous or something...
     
  2. mylilpony

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    wow. way to overlook an organization that is just capitalizing on a real issue using ad misericordiam tactics. I donated to IC in the past without much knowledge of what they do. just did it based on the emotions of the movement. Being "negative" is a way to analyze if any efforts actually do something.

    Regardless of the fact that Kony is evil, which no one is saying he is not, most on here are disregarding the efforts of IC as a utopian answer to a more complex problem.

    I mean its fun and all to be aware, and you can probably get some tail at a concert if you wear a Kony shirt, but even if your awareness ends up shooting Kony in the face with care bullets, another Kony will pop up in his vacancy. But if you want to discount the skepticism of a few people, who probably developed ways to battle naivety through experiences in their lives, go ahead. Way to go, we're all really impressed by how cool you are.
     
  3. across110thstreet

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    www.umcor.org

    100% of the funds go to the charity/relief effort/or cause of your choice
     
  4. Major

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    This is simply not accurate. Removing Saddam Hussein did not lead to another one replacing him. Removing Hitler did not lead to another Hitler replacing him. The fact is that Kony is not "just another bad guy". There are lots of cruel and dispicable leaders in Africa - and one of them will likely take Kony's place. But the whole point is that Kony is *worse* than those people.

    This whole "someone just as bad will replace him" is the same lazy, ill-informed logic people accuse IC supporters of using. It ignores reality and just uses a silly one-liner to simplify a far more complex situation. It ignores everything that makes Kony a unique target.

    It also ignores the fact that someone just as bad MAYBE replacing him is substantially better than having him guaranteed to continue being there. At least if you remove him, you have a chance to improve the situation.
     
  5. Hou_rox

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    Or, you know, the same people who have been asking others to do more research (as if doing a couple of Google searches, reading a random ass Tumblr post, and watching a Youtube video by a gamer make someone an expert on IC) on IC are the same ones who have their information wrong. And to the last part of your statement: what the ****? How do you know whether or not someone genuinely cares?

    As an aside: I really don't get the whole financial (31%) argument. When was the last time a non-profit, 501(c)3 donated 100 percent of their proceeds directly to a single cause? Sure, 31 percent might be low, but IC, according to their 'Critiques' page, have a three-prong approach to solving their goals..." we spend roughly one third of our money on each of these three goals."
    http://www.invisiblechildren.com/critiques.html
     
  6. mylilpony

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    my point wasnt about not removing people involved with horrible acts. My point was that it takes more than just talking about an issue to solve it. It would take military action and setting up a government to support the changes that would have to take place. i dont really think anyone wants that (based on the amount of disdain for the US in Iraq).

    There are other points of view about this situation and just accepting the narrative put out by IC is very narrow-minded. Here's an anecdotal video of an opposng view. wouldnt that make it ok to evaluate the anecdotal video put out by IC?

    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/7DO73Ese25Y" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
  7. ChrisBosh

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    This is the problem with the internet. People are lazy and there is way too much info out there. They are willing to watch some random video and take it as truth rather than read an article or book with facts and figures. This 16 year old (looks like 16) has obvious biases, link below to dispel some of her errors (LRA last massacre was in 2010, not 6 years ago as she claims). I believe her family is trying to keep her in the dark about her countries ugly side.

    Also, I'm guessing she's from South Uganda which is prosperous compared to the north (the south is being threatened by bombings from terrorists groups based in Somalia, hence her note about Kony being irrelevant as he's not a threat to whichever part she's from). Though she was right about where Kony is, nobody knows.....and it appears nobody really gives a crap because he's in the poor lawless northern region, as long as he doesn't threaten the South....its all good. It's funny how people post that its a "complex" situation, its really not.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...ies-attacks-in-congo-killing-at-least-30.html
     
  8. Major

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    IC would definitely agree with that - that's why they are using people talking about it to spur action.

    If the goal is to fix Uganda, that's true. But IC's goal is not to fix Uganda. It's to remove Kony. That's a far simpler and more basic problem.

    Sure - except anecdotal viewpoints are a dime a dozen. If that's the basis of your criticism, it's just as uninformed as what you claim IC people are doing.
     
  9. mylilpony

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    there is more than anecdotal evidence suggesting that IC's efforts arent as altruistic as they want everyone to believe. I was posting a comparison of view points showing that there are opposing views to this subject. If you want something more substantial with multiple sources linked, fine.

    http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/

    http://www.wrongingrights.com/2009/03/worst-idea-ever.html/

    http://ilto.wordpress.com/2006/11/02/the-visible-problem-with-invisible-children/

    http://chrisblattman.com/2009/03/04/visible-children/


    my main point is that IC's junk isnt as pretty as you make them out to believe. Dont worry. I fell for it a few years ago.
     
  10. Big MAK

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    I'm so impressed with your generosity, please, let me bow at your feet. If sending $15/year makes you feel like a better person, then go ahead. You must get laid like crazy when you tell the women you stand for a cause. We’re all proud of you.
     
  11. across110thstreet

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    I just listed one two posts above yours. That video was flashy and full of all kinds of advanced filmmaking techniques, it had to have cost a pretty penny...
     
  12. ketchupNmustard

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    I'm trying to not side on the pending argument considering KONY 2012, but I found this youtube VLOG of a Ugandan woman quite enlightening as to the Ugandan view of things <iframe width="210" height="165" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Mxvk_Uc-cZ8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
  13. SuperBeeKay

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    Uganda be kidding me
     
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  14. Hou_rox

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    Wow, I didn't see that. That's really good. Thanks for sharing. However, would you agree that majority of non-profits don't do what UMCOR does?
     
  15. SuperHighFly

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    Keep her in the dark about her country? Bias? How so? She specifically refers to Uganda, and in all instances she's not wrong about the lack of presence of the LRA there.
     
  16. mylilpony

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    fixed
     
  17. ChrisBosh

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    She is 100% right that they haven't been active in Uganda, I actually typed that out when I just woke up, made a mistake of sounding like he has a presence in the north, not been the case since 2006. I mixed up the general political and social conflict with the Acholi people and the LRA movement. Both are kinda sorta intertwined so its can be a little "complex". Regardless, it doesn't matter, she still comes off as biased. The video has been removed so I can't review what she said but from what I remember she made it appear as though the LRA has no significance nor is it a Ugandan problem. Really? The government essentially drove them out into Congo and Sudan when they could have completely taken them out IN Uganda, BUT they profit from keeping them alive as they capitalize from the possible threat. The LRA has murdered about 1000 people since 2009 according to most estimations, that's a significant number regardless of where these victims are located. BTW as a side note, the Uganda government has a dirty history as well, they have been accused in the past of trying to commit genocide towards the Acholi people. These northerners are seen as lower class and have been constantly marginalized by those in the south.
     
  18. BleedRocketsRed

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    Conspiracy?

    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/mN6k3-XLrdQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
  19. VanityHalfBlack

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    They cut off his brother's head??? Those sick bastards, just blow that place up!!!
     
  20. ThatBoyNick

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    This Kony 2012 is bull****, american troops has been stationed in Uganda since 2008. Oh, and now Kony is a problem? Rumors say that Kony died years ago, or that he moved countries. And i looked up the Invisible Children, and did you know that they are making millions of dollars off this one campaign and only 31% of the donations are actually sent to the Uganda military. This is bull****
     

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