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[Official]New York Knicks TEAM thread

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by tinman, Feb 8, 2012.

  1. VBG

    VBG Member

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    Did I EVER say that it was Lin's fault. :rolleyes:

    Read the damn post before you comment.

    All I said is that opposing PGs go off on Lin. Obviously defense is a team thing in todays NBA.

    But I'm guessing its not a complete coincidence that the PG is constantly going off on the Knicks.

    I actually meant it as PGs wanna show up Jeremy Lin (like Deron Williams said)
     
  2. YaoMac09

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    Facts? Sure if we ignore team D and assume Lin is matched up against the opponent's PG 100% of the time (since you are saying PGs go off against LIN and not the KNICKS).

    But hey, people try to tell me Lowry can't stay in front of anybody and is a bad defender too.
     
  3. tehG l i d e

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    It's fine. He could improve on his D for sure but the bigger problem is team D which is almost non-existent. Chandler's and Jeffries, their best D players absences hasn't helped.
     
  4. wekko368

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    :rolleyes:
     
  5. tehG l i d e

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    Lowry gets too much blame too but it's undeserved. He just needs to cut the flopping. We saw tonight why Rubio didn't get away with it in crucial moments.
     
  6. jasonemilio

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    I'm not making out Lin to be a young J Kidd on D, but you clearly are just looking at stats and haven't seen the games.

    When you're guarding PnR PGs like those guys , especially with how the Knicks almost always switching or high screen trapping, its up to the weakside or roller defender to defend the PG coming into the lane.

    There are no doubt where there are times where Lin lets his guy get past him, but most of the time its after him having to switch back to his man. Whenever he has his position established and with good positioning, he is usually a very decent on ball defender, and the crunch time D he had on Jennings - if you cared to watch any of it- was magnificent.
     
  7. Carl Herrera

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    The foul omen hangs over the Knicks again. I wonder if I can afford MSG tickets once more. Lol.
     
  8. tehG l i d e

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    Great D by Lin, and then him yelling at Stat for a pathetic attempt at a box out/rebound.


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  9. RedRedemption

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    Wow. Stat and Melo.
    What in the hell?

    At least they contributed to the offensive end pretty well tonight.
     
  10. VBG

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    Well, the last full Lin game I watched was with Rondo destroying him. I saw Irving rip him apart as well. Both those PGs were getting past Lin with ease.

    Hell, Rondo should have had 30 points if he could actually finish.
     
  11. meh

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    It's kind of interesting. The Knicks have 3 players the Rockets have tried to obtain and failed, 3 players that many fans point towards why the Rockets management sucks due to not being able to obtain via trade. Two of them supposed star/superstar. AND the Knicks have the greatest PG in NBA history in Jeremy Lin. Contract issues aside, the Knicks have players that Morey likes quite a lot. Yet Houston, a team built through basically Morey's Plan Bs and Cs, actually is a better team than Morey's "Plan A" of acquiring a good chunk of the Knicks roster.

    Really makes you wonder why the Knicks are floundering so badly. They look like a lock for 8th seed in the East. Basically poor-man's Rockets except with older players on horrible contracts.
     
  12. ShiniKashi

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    You don't deny you didn't watch the games.

    SMH.
     
  13. ShiniKashi

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    Bad coaching. + Melo + Ballstopping chuckers.
     
  14. tehG l i d e

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    Irving is doing that with almost everyone. He just got 12 but he ripped one against Westbrook tonight with shot after shot in the clutch in OKC sealing the deal.
     
  15. jasonemilio

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    Rondo killed Lin and the PnR man/weakside help by getting into the lane taking advantage of the late rotation and piss poor help. He never really blew by him when Lin was able to get straight man to man position on him. Check some of his misses, most of them were against Lin.

    Still bad D by Lin though because he got stuck in the screen so many times, like he did against Deron Williams.

    Irving scored most of his points from the outside and taking advantage of the PnR and late rotations and also Shumpert was on him a lot too.

    Shumpert is very strong and long defending and his strength & aggressiveness is better than Lin when he gets in good position, but he is actually worse than Lin when defending the quicker PGs because he doesn't change directions as quickly
     
  16. meh

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    Melo was the guy Morey was willing to rent for half a season. Ballstoping chucker Amare was a guy that Morey would've traded for with a physical and a reasonably priced extension. Like I said, they're players that Morey has really liked at one point or another.

    You can question Morey's ability to lure big time players to Houston. But the Rockets front office have certainly been able to judge player quality quite well the past few years.
     
  17. Kyakko

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    watched it. my assessment. the bad d was obvious and TC was the main reason for the lack of... amare was good on o but gave up about the same as he made. the thing I think they can improve on is using novak. he can't shoot on the run and can really, but boy can he shoot. and... he knows how to get open when everyones in traffic. the problem now is that melo doesn't have the court vision or the will to defer it out. sure he makes plays but he doesn't get the team involved and the knocks get predictable. the problem is compounded because lin has too much faith in melo. he was dish it to him or stat before anyone else that's open.

    the big part of the run was when novak was involved. melo sort of took him out indirectly. lin just has too much faith in melo. and just smh at stat's d.
     
  18. Kyakko

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    sorry. posted from android phone
     
  19. Angkor Wat

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    Another one bites the dust! Still lots of time for the Knicks to collapse.
     
  20. Kyakko

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    want to elaborate. lin plays like he does during the streak only during the last desperation 4th quarters. I have no doubt the knicks would have won with TC in without melo and and amare. I've mentioned it in my other post before, he seems unsure recently. he just respects melo and stat too much.

    put it this way, if melo was play in that raptors game, he wouldn't have waved everyone off, instead pass it to melo in the last min. he's got to look at himself on stats and melo level.

    he's good. he just got to think so. its mental for him.
     

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