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Rudy Gay's about to show the world he's on Durant's level

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by what, Jan 4, 2012.

  1. roslolian

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    Why will people laugh? Everyone knows they were good, didn't they tear up the L last season? I think they're the 2nd best in the west right now, esp. when reinforcements arrive from CHina later on.
     
  2. Sadat X

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  3. jayhow92

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    repped.:grin:
     
  4. davidxhz

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    what a joke, rudy gay has never been on KD's level and the Grizzlies are only an average team at best..... they won't survive the first round
     
  5. what

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    smdh ...
     
  6. peleincubus

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    Your delusional
     
  7. what

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    This kinda blows some things out of the water:
    Apparently Rudy Gay is one of the clutchest players in the league and Durant?

    http://blogs.thescore.com/tbj/2012/03/04/kobe-bryant-lebron-james-and-clutch-shooting-when-perception-and-reality-shake-hands/

    On Friday night against the Utah Jazz, LeBron James put up one of those statlines where you would know it was him without even looking at the name attached to it: 35 points, 16-for-24 shooting, 10 rebounds, six assists, three blocks and no turnovers. Ridiculous, right? Too bad the Heat still lost the game by a point, and when LeBron passed out of a double team to a wide open Udonis Haslem for the potential game-winning shot — and Haslem missed the shot as the clock expired — the buzz on Twitter was mostly about how LeBron “wilted in the clutch” yet again.

    The “LeBron isn’t clutch” narrative annoys me because too many people narrowly define clutch as “making the game-winning shot”. If you watched that final play and you’re completely objective about LeBron, you should agree with me that LeBron made the right play. LeBron was double-covered, Haslem is a decent mid-range shooter, and Haslem was open. Just because Kobe Bryant probably would have taken the shot in that situation, that doesn’t make it the right play.

    Of course, what would be defined as “the right play” for most basketball players doesn’t apply to Kobe Bryant — according to some people, anyway. If you replace LeBron with Kobe and Haslem with Pau Gasol on that same play, I imagine most Lakers fans would want Kobe to take that shot. And the reason why they want Kobe to take that game-deciding shot is because of his reputation as the best clutch shooter in the NBA.

    This reputation doesn’t just exist in the minds of fans. In a January survery of NBA General Managers by NBA.com, 48.1 percent of the respondents said they would want Kobe “taking a shot with the game on the line”. In last year’s survey, Kobe was named by 78.6 percent of the respondents. Most likely, the GMs feel this way about Kobe for the same reason his fans do — he’s made a lot of memorable buzzer-beaters in his career. He’s also missed a lot of those shots, and I’ve long believed that the quantity of his misses gets overlooked in this narrative.

    Luckily for us, Basketball-Reference.com recently launched their “Shot Finder” which claims to track every shot from the 2000-01 season through to this season — up to the February 28 games, as of this writing. The table below shows the results of my Shot Finder query with the following criteria: regular season or playoffs, fourth quarter or overtime, 0:05 or less remaining, shot to tie or to take the lead. The Shot Finder doesn’t let you query across multiple seasons, so I did it for this season and the previous two seasons and added up the numbers for 35 of the most prominent players in terms of overall fame/ability or their tendency to take these shots. If you think I excluded a worthy player, feel free to look him up yourself.

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    As you can see, I sorted the results by field goals made. Part of me wants to dismiss the meaning behind these numbers because of the sample size — would you be comfortable making an absolute judgement on a player’s shooting skill based on 23 or fewer field goal attempts? But when it comes right down to it, these numbers do absolutely nothing to change Kobe’s and LeBron’s reputations.

    As it turns out, Kevin Durant appears to have the most undeserved reputation as a clutch performer. He received 30.8 percent of the GM votes for “taking a shot with the game on the line” and while he’s taken more of those shots than anyone else, his results in those situations have been dismal. As Skeets and Tas have frequently pointed out, Thunder coach Scott Brooks’ playcalling probably deserves a lot of the blame for this.

    For me, the most compelling number in this table is the combined field goal percentage for these players. We would all probably guess that the field goal percentage in these situations would be lower than in other situations because of the defensive intensity associated with game-deciding scenarios. But the shockingly poor field goal percentages of so many of the game’s elite players in these situations makes me wonder if coaches should start experimenting with using their stars as decoys in clutch moments. If the defense has a pretty good idea who is going to take that shot, the difficulty level for that player making the shot clearly goes way up.

    Small sample sizes and all, it’s hard to make a good case that LeBron should have taken that final shot on Friday. Haslem was open, LeBron wasn’t, and LeBron doesn’t appear comfortable taking those shots, regardless. As for Kobe, it appears I owe him and his fans an apology for doubting his legend as much as I have. I still believe the concept of “clutch shooting” is overrated, but I certainly can’t continue implying that Kobe’s reputation is undeserved.
     
  8. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    if you shoot enough, you'll have many clutch shots. how many clutch shots did kobe hit from 05-07 with no shaq or gasol. he wasn't even in clutch situations, just first round exits
     
  9. redhotrox

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    http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id&match=single&year_id=2012&is_playoffs=N&team_id&opp_id&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month&game_location&game_result&shot_pts&is_make&shot_type&shot_distance_min&shot_distance_max&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=2&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-5&margin_max=5&c1stat=fga&c1comp=ge&c1val=10&c2stat&c2comp=ge&c2val&c3stat&c3comp=ge&c3val&order_by=fg_pct

    I was playing around with that shot finder tool before that article was posted for clutch shots this season. But I set it to under 2 minutes to go in 4th Q or OT, with 5 pt game or less differential. Rudy Gay is definitely one of the most clutch players in the league. He's not only unafraid to take big shots, but is pretty damn good at making them.

    For anyone saying he wouldn't be helping us right now, you don't think that would have come in handy during, say, last nights game?

    One of those research papers for the Sloan Sports Conference which measured who the best shooters of the past six years based on how efficiently they score all over the floor, also had Rudy Gay tied at 8th/9th with Paul Pierce. SI wrote an article about it last week.

    That team is going to be scary once they get a healthy Z-Bo back.
     
  10. what

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    this also kinda underscores the fact that the thunder rely on refs bailing them out in the 4th quarter. The fact of the matter is Rudy is a better shot maker than Durant when it counts. Durant relies on bail out calls.
     
  11. BigBenito

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    Feels good, man. :grin:
     
  12. redhotrox

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    Rudy Gay is never going to be on Durant's level, but like I said, the Grizzlies are going to be a very scary as a team with Randolph and Gay as 1a and 1b options. People are apparently already worried.
    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>With Zach Randolph back at practice, lot of chatter from coaches, scouts about Grizzlies as a dark horse in the West.</p>&mdash; Chris Mannix (@ChrisMannixSI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChrisMannixSI/status/177507220039274497" data-datetime="2012-03-07T21:33:13+00:00">March 7, 2012</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>That crushing size complimented by a healthy Rudy Gay and an improving Conley...no one wants to play them.</p>&mdash; Chris Mannix (@ChrisMannixSI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChrisMannixSI/status/177507399496769537" data-datetime="2012-03-07T21:33:56+00:00">March 7, 2012</a></blockquote>
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  13. what

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    we're going to see if the grizzlies can send a message to okc on April 2. But i'm not sure about the grizzlies being a darkhorse. We took out the spurs last year and took okc to 7 games and really came within a triple overtime victory to taking that series, all without Rudy Gay.

    the grizzlies aren't a darkhorse, we are one of the favorites. like i said, the only team with a legitimate shot to take out okc is the grizzlies.
     
  14. Kwame

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    Where are all those people that were claiming that Rudy Gay isn't clutch? Not only is he clutch, but he's one of THE MOST CLUTCH players in this league.
     
  15. peleincubus

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    I never said he wasn't clutch or that not a good player. Or for that matter a very good player. But he is damn well no where even close to Durant. And no GM in the league would think for more then a 1/2 second which player they would want.
     
  16. what

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    yeah durant's 5 for 38. He'll never be THAT good. Who's the chucker now?
     
  17. peleincubus

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    Durant scores almost 10 points per game more then Rudy gay more rebounds more assists more blocks a higher fg %.

    If you switched the players from the on teams I'm not sure where the thunder would be but the grizzlies would have the best record in the league not the thunder.

    I love this thread.
     
  18. Uprising

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    Because Stars don't ever have bad games.....
     
  19. what

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    dude that 5 for 38 is his made/misses of game winning or game tying shots over the last 2 years with 5 seconds or less on the clock.

    This is not just one game. lol, he's basically a chucker when the game is on the line.
     
  20. peleincubus

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    Maybe you are right. But what does that make lebron? He gets ridiculed for passing too much in those situations, and when he does shoot he misses. Guy can't win haha
     

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