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Can Some Knowledgable Person Breakdown Coach McHale's Offense

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by apollo33, Mar 6, 2012.

  1. davidio840

    davidio840 Member

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    It also doesn't help that we have absolutely no go to player at the end of the game. We have nobody that can create his own shot and has the confidence to take the last shot.
     
  2. ROXTXIA

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    Butterfingers, perhaps.

    Dalembert has hands of stone. And his energy level isn't consistent. Some guys have it, some don't. He puts up decent numbers sometimes, but you can see where he has to will himself to get moving. Scola has glaring deficiencies but his motor is always running when he's out there.

    Anyway, the Rox looked awful out there. When they had a 10 point lead with 5 minutes to go, sorry to say, I knew they would lose. Knew it. Listening to Worrell and Bull saying "eat some clock, the clock is your friend" made me want to puke. The team actually did this and you could see where that strategy would go.
     
  3. larsv8

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    Rockets fans always looking for someone to blame lol
     
  4. MadMax

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    Yeah...you're right. Really it's my fault.
     
  5. solid

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    I am sure McHale has forgotten more basketball than I have ever known, but my issue is who he has playing. Consistently seems like the wrong group of players at the wrong times. Especially in the losses. Maybe they are just outmanned most of the time, but when the ship is sinking, seems like you might try something different, somebody different.
     
  6. flamingdts

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    Knee-jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk
     
  7. rpr52121

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    As many have said, Scola was supposed to be a post threat and he has not performed even at last years levels. On top of that, neither Hill nor Patterson have developed much of a post offensive game. On top of that none of them are very good at the PnR game because they can be trusted to roll with the ball consistently and are not consistent at setting good picks. (Hayes last year was great at setting perfect picks)

    One thing about the Rockets guards, even Lowry and Dragic, is that while they have an ability to make a very good pass, they do not always make the perfect pass. What I mean by this, is that the pass may be to the right person, but often times the pass is not exactly where the receiving player needs it to quickly shoot the ball or at their comfort zone.

    All you people about the "Adelman's offense" need to chill. That offense is highly dependent on a good-to-great post passer (Hayes) from the high post or angle. The Rockets no longer have any such player. Hill and Patterson are not great passers. Scola seems to get impatient at that stop and tends to commit a turnover if he does not simply shoot the jumper in rhythm which is also at a lower fg% than last year.

    Lastly the "bail-out offense" that is being seen seems to be stagnant from fatigue and also the lack of practices/true training camp for players to truly get comfortable with each other. Especially with the newer players like T-Will, Parsons, & Dalembert.
     
  8. Easy

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    That's what fans are for. :grin:
     
  9. coolweather

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    shoot when open.
     
  10. BHannes2BHonest

    BHannes2BHonest 2 SOLID FOR WEIRD AZZES

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    Would rep if i knew how...lmao :cool:
     
  11. BackNthDay

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    We have no one in the post that can score consistently
    * Sit on Scola's right hand and force him to pass out and we hold the ball and throw it right back to him
    * Dalembert shoots a fadeaway at 7 ft tall
    * Patrick looks like a broke Frankenstien and he has lost his hops, I haven't seen him dunk in 2 months.
    * I'd rather we lose than see Chase no D Bank play. This dude cares nothing about defense along with his brittle boy Jordan
    * Terrance Williams looks like a little kid on ritalin,
    * Courtney Lee is not the smartest player with the ball in his hands. That bball IQ needs some refresher classes. This dude gets the ball with 3 seconds on the shot clock, dribbles and then passes to someone with 0.7 on the shot clock.
    * McHale with Courtney Lee on Pierce in the 4th Qtr and OT when we need stops. I don't care if Scarface Parson can't throw the ball in Lake Houston we need D to win.
     
  12. Scionxa

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    I respect Kevin McHale , and while I don't think his offense is pretty and he makes a lot of mistake. He definitely take things to the heart, and I can tell he genuinely wants these guys to improve. A good offense would definitely help, but as others have stated multiple times, I don't think we have the right type of players that McHale is looking for.

    Only time will tell what happens with our group. We just have to keep believing. We wasted years thinking Yao & T-mac would ever do anything for us, I'm sure we can waste a few years in this "float" and see how it pans out lol
     
  13. Rocket River

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    GOD NO!!! NOT THE "I NEED MY TYPE OF PLAYERS" EXCUSE!!!
    It has returned!!! NNNNOOOOOOOOOOO

    If you don't have the right type of players. . . CHANGE THE OFFENSE!!

    Rocket River
     
  14. Scionxa

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    You make a good point there.
     
  15. MadMax

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    Just because an opinion is critical doesn't mean it's knee-jerk. What I saw last night did not look like good coaching in my opinion.
     
  16. Shroopy2

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    In Adelman's first year with the Rockets, they didnt get off to a good start. It took a while to get his system in, took a while to find the right mix of players to buy into it and execute. Then it took a 22 game winning streak to SALVAGE the season.

    The difference with McHale is he's not a PROVEN coach. He's not like Van Gundy and Adelman who are great coaching one aspect of the game, he's more the "old school" mentality where big men were "goons" and all that.

    I don't think he's gonna ESTABLISH that brand with VETERAN players. I think he needs a situation like Scott Brooks in OKC, start off with YOUNG GUYS and THEN BUILD UP from there. THEN eventually he'll be PROVEN.

    I'm saying I'd rather they not have Scola and Martin on the squad to "pretend to contend". Maybe not even Dalembert. Start from a REBUILDING POSITION, playing more the '09 picks and work UP
     
  17. dobro1229

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    It is, and has always been the players. There arent too many "types" of offenses you can have with this team other than a fast paced Don Nelson type of play where your wings leak out on defensive possessions.

    THIS IS NOT CHAMPIONSHIP BASKETBALL.

    If McHale instituted this style of play to win a game or two now if would not be consistent with the culture of basketball that McHale and the front office for that matter want to institute on their players which thrives on quality defense. We all know that this team is going to aquire a low post threat at some point in the next two weeks, so bare with it.

    Big Man Ball with No Big- That is the style of play the Rockets have always had pre-Adelman and are obviously heading back towards. The problem is... no bigs of course.

    Its quite possible that this style of play was thought to be in place due to the Gasol Trade being mapped out for weeks before the season started. Obviously the coaching staff was made aware of a possible deal and decided to go in this direction with their offensive schemes and keep Scola in mind as well as a backup plan. Scola was also invisioned to thrive significantly in this offense mind you.

    Like I mentioned in an earlier post, Lowry is still doing a wonderful job at running some of the Adelman sets which are somewhat complex in nature with double screens and such. In all reality, the offense hasn't always been pretty, but it has been affective at getting right amount of points, just not always at the right times..

    They are giving Lowry alot of freedom late in the game and might need to dial him back a bit to get him to start running more of their sets late in games. However, Lowry has been huge for this team late in games because the defense generally adjusted well to their sets after the first half and you need that one player who can get you shots when a team like the Celtics are dialed in on defense.

    So just wait and see if they aquire someone like Gasol, Jefferson, and even Kaman. That one low post threat could open up everything for this offense. If they cant do that, then go ahead and start playing a more Adelman/Nelson style of offense if you want a more pretty picture to look at.
     
  18. G0 R0CKETS

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    This is the best Rockets team weve seen since the championship years! We just need the right players like D. Howard D.Williams K. Durant S.Kemp when he was good....deflef shrimp
     
  19. pge71188

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    The people who keep saying "knee jerk" are stupid, we are already more than halfway through the season and there are obvious problems with the coaching.
     
  20. MadMax

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    This team is totally awesome, provided we get better players!!! :cool:
     

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