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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jopatmc, Jan 4, 2012.

  1. daywalker02

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    Luckily an NBA is short-lived. Rain can happen anyday soon...I mean trades
     
  2. Samdogg36

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    We lost a game where lakers shot close to 4 times the amount of free throws as we did, it took Kobe to have best game of the year and Bynum to have a career game against us...Martin scored only 12, patt was scoreless yet we lost by 9...I think we got a good team, obviously I would love for us to get a superstar but if it doesn't happen I think the team should go out and compete and who knows a strong run in playoffs could get stars to look at us...I def believe the rockets got a team that is going to surprise this season and a close loss against the lakers isn't going to make me lose that belief..
    I would love to see parsons get more pt because he has excellent size, awareness, ball handling, and passing skills.. IMO he should become the future starting sf...also I would like to see twill get more pt...overall though I think we are a playoff bound team, and have one of the best benches in NBA which is going to help with the schedule this year..
     
  3. jopatmc

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    No, it's not.

    Will be interesting to see what Lowry turns into ultimately. I'm scared he's overplaying and is going to strain himself into an injury.

    I'm also interested to see if TWill gets going.

    Also interested to see if Patterson develops any post moves or if he continues to be a 17 foot spot up jump shooter. He has way more potential than that and he really needs to get serious minutes and get the ball in the post to develop his post game. Also, his 3-pt shot. Either he has one or he doesn't.

    Same thing with Marcus Morris. He needs floor time to see what his potential is.

    I don't see anything wrong with running these guys out there if it becomes obvious the best we can do this season is 7-8 seed in the West.
     
  4. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    You are preaching to the choir, now if you would just get on board the run Thabeet out there brigade as well we will be singing from the same song sheet.

    DD
     
  5. obeyplayer1

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    If you've seen enough than stop watching.
    Stop degrading the Rockets, we have what we have, it is what it is. The trades Morey attempted didn't go thru, stop complaining...
     
  6. jopatmc

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    LOL. It would destroy his potential trade value.

    On a serious note, if Thabeet gets major minutes, it will be because we are tanking. Dude can't play and you know it.
     
  7. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    I think he should be our backup center behind Dalembert, and Hill moving back to the PF spot.

    Maybe Morey is showcasing Hill?

    Thabeet can play some, but he needs a lot of work and minutes on the floor to get better....what better time than THIS year to do that, eh?

    DD
     
  8. jopatmc

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    Not til after the trade deadline and we have made the definitive move to tank. Which has yet to be determined. In the meantime, we need our guys to look as good as possible so we can entice Orlando to deal Dwight and/or New Jersey to deal Deron.
     
  9. solid

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    Besides Clyde and Martin, I wasn't too crazy about any of those moves and "almost" doesn't count. They never put a decent supporting cast around Yao and McGrady, not that it mattered since they were always injured. Oh well, it is matter of getting all the ducks in a row and ours have been swimming all over the pond. If one of our young projects takes off, that's the ticket, if not, we may need a new ticket book and I don't even know what that means.
     
  10. GMNot

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    Sorry. I guess the word vent was not the best word. But I meant it in the context of frustration. It is frustrating for any fan that's followed the team since Bill Fitch days. Those were heart-breakers, too. I remember how down it was to have the feeling of "what could have been" if Wiggins and Lloyd hadn't messed up.

    Frustration is also much easier to come by when your team is just good enough to play with a team like the Lakers for 3½ quarters and then lose in the last 6-7 minutes. It may not even be that close when they play Miami. I'd love to be pleasantly surprised. But like you, I try to be realistic as to what the team can actually accomplish. When the coach and GM both state that this season's goal is to make the playoffs, they aren't under any illusions, either.

    As for how to take the next step, my hope is that the team makes the improvement needed without giving up too much, or giving up the wrong people. That can happen, too. You don't want to trade one frustration for another. It really is about getting that "magic" combination that just works. I don't think there are any good mathematical formulas to get that right. There is some art to this.

    No one would have expected that such a major trade as Drexler would have happened the year after the Rockets won a championship. Now, THAT seemed knee-jerk to a lot of fans. It worked out, but mostly because of Drexler's hunger and effort, as far as I remember that championship run.

    The other thing working against a lot of teams when playing "marquee" teams is they do usually get calls the opposing team doesn't. It's naive to think the NBA doesn't have an eye out for which teams will net the biggest revenues come playoff time. It's another reason I really disliked the Jame, Bosh, Wade deal. It all just smacks too much of money being the bottom line for the league. There were no complaints from the league about that deal. And there are certain cities that just have more appeal for players than others, because they are marquee TV cities. We can all name most of them... Boston, LA, NY, Chicago, and Philadelphia. There may be others but those head the class.

    Star players get calls other players don't, and they fare even better if they are on one of these teams. How many here remember when SI wasn't even going to put out a special edition for one of the Rockets championships? It is an uphill task to get "stars" here aside from draft or trades. This is probably why Morey has decided that trades are the best way to upgrade, after chasing Bosh around and coming up empty. Even the best teams know that championships are hard to come by, especially repeats.

    Personally, I don't like dynasties -- in sports or any other sphere of life. If getting a championship is a great feeling wouldn't you want as many players as possible to experience that in their careers? I didn't like Barkley before he played for the Rockets. But, now, I wish he had been able to win just one. As I said earlier, there are a lot of really good people playing for teams that likely will never see a playoff run, much less a championship. Same thing for fans. A lot of good people would like to have that nice feeling for whatever team they follow. But the harsh reality is, there ARE semi-dynasties. For whatever reason. Might be management, or the glitter of the team and it's market. Or maybe some preferential treatment in subtle ways. ;)

    Here's that stat:
    (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_teams_have_not_won_an_NBA_championship)

    As of the start of the 2009-10 season, the following teams have not won an NBA championship:

    * Charlotte Bobcats
    * Cleveland Cavaliers
    * Dallas Mavericks (obviously no longer on the list)
    * Denver Nuggets
    * Indiana Pacers
    * Los Angeles Clippers
    * Memphis Grizzlies
    * Minnesota Timberwolves
    * New Jersey Nets
    * New Orleans Hornets
    * Orlando Magic
    * Phoenix Suns
    * Sacramento Kings
    * Toronto Raptors
    * Utah Jazz

    A number of these teams have been around a long time. The Celtics won 8 of their 17 (or is it 18 now) championships 8 years in a row, between 1958 and 1966. Imagine how it felt to be rooting for another team then? I'm just saying, as long as we're trying to be realistic, be realistic. All sorts of "stars" have to "align" to win a championship. I just can't put the same energy into their success as I did years ago. And IF you do advance in the playoffs without winning a championship it gets harder and harder to take when you do lose. I did it, though, for many years. Now, looking back with "better" realism, I see that I was too emotionally involved. It just hurt too much for what it really is.

    It's great to follow sports, but it can also become too heart-breaking; too overblown. Those losses to the Lakers the last times they met in the playoffs were VERY tough to take, for me, because I did invest a lot of emotion in it. I did lose some interest, too, when Yao never could come back. Olajuwon was the hook that got me watching the Rockets in the first place. I was working at U of H when Phi Slamma Jamma came together. If it wasn't for the Rockets getting him I may never have started watching the Rockets.

    Sorry for rambling so much. I need to stop investing so emotion in posting. :eek:
     
  11. jscmedia

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    Look I understand where you're coming from, but see it differently. Fact is, as much as he was giving away too much, Morey's trade did exactly what I see the Rox are missing right now. Brought in a legit starting NBA center. Dallas can talk about that a lot right now. I see a two step to legitimacy with Morey bringing another center of some calibur via trade. That may mean Scola is part of the deal. Maybe not. Too early to ditch the season or hit the panic button.

    Les wants to win.

    Also liked T Will's play and McHale's insertition of him early. T make a liar out of me please.
     
  12. pli777

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    I can't bear seeing Martin being elbowed by Kobe and just walked away.

    He's the softest SG I've ever seen, he can fill up the scoreboard yes but he ain't doing anythining else.
     
  13. jopatmc

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    and tha beat goes on.
     
  14. rock4ever

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    We keep expecting that "big" move every trade deadline. What happens if don't revamp the roster? Will Yao & Tmac still be an excuse:rolleyes:
     
  15. markus4040

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    It is rough to watch most times
     
  16. jopatmc

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    Have you seen enough yet?
     
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    if you think our players suck, then what makes you think teams will give us something of value for them?
     
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    Yes, tha [same] beat goes on. And on. And on.
     
  19. jopatmc

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    I have never said our player suck. Well.............I have said Thabeet SUCKS!!!! Because....he just does. What I've said is we have a good group of players that play hard. Nobody plays harder night in and night out than Lowry and Scola. You can add Lee to that group as well. Those guys play their a.. off. It's just not enough.

    We're going down the stretch where games are all of a sudden of prime importance for playoff teams making a move and achieving playoff positioning. All the training camp is behind us. Every team knows what it is they are trying to achieve on the court, what their strengths are and what weaknesses they have to mask night in and night out.

    We're not good enough. This is the 9th or 10th team in the West. We gotta break them up and rebuild either on the fly or by opening up massive cap space, and building through the lottery and free agency or some combination of both. Staying status quo with this core is a waste of time. And there's no time to waste. 9 more days.

    I love Lowry, love Scola. But I fully expect one or both of them to be gone in 9 days...along with half the rest of the team at least.
     
  20. across110thstreet

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    of your self congratulatory thread bumps here and in Dish, yes.
     
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