Sorry for making a second consecutive thread but after having Morey for a decent amount of years and over analyzing every trade/acquisition we've gotten due to his tenure... Do you guys believe in the concept of moneyball?
It'll never win a championship......see: Oakland As, Texans. Good for running a team from an economic/financial standpoint? Sure. Good for winning a championship? No.
Sort of. To an extent it can work. At some point the eyeball test works better in some cases. Even is systems that are proven to work there are variables that one can catch with the human eye that are outside the systems control. Some players can fit this moneyball system and some fall outside it. Morey needs to be better at choosing between which of these players fall through his system he uses.
Which also means he needs to work with our coaches and not force things down their throats. Which is why Adelman left us last year. There is absolutely no coincidence that Adelman, coaching the once horrible Timberwolves, have turned them into a decent team. We would have had one of the best analytic GMs paired with one of the best coaches of all time. Damn it.
lol wut Moneyball isn't what is preventing us winning a championship, its this ridiculous mandate by the owner that we can't be a bad team in order to be good, despite our GM saying repeatedly that the league dissproportionately rewards teams for being bad.
You should really have an option for yes it is working. It's not DM's fault that Yao and Mcgrady were injured. If you ask me a did a pretty good job navigating through those hampering contracts. All I know is that we have a TON of available cap space and Kyle Lowry is on an extended contract for less than 6mil per year. That alone should be evidence enough. If anyone has a problem with Lowry making less than 6mil per year from this year and into the future, I really don't know what to say....
Where is the option for "it is a tool that you use, among many, to gain an advantage for your franchise"?
Usually when teams adopt the moneyball approach its absolute. Its definitely absolute here in Houston. Adelman left because he couldn't get enough of a say in the organization. Its obvious whose side Les is on.
See: 2011-2012 Dallas Mavericks. People who don't think $Ball doesn't are too stupid to understand mid-level math, pure and simple. The OP really should've had an option for "Yes its working". Just look at how DM drafts someone better at his draft position almost every year.
Adelman even stated how little say he has in the organization here. How he doesn't even know if he's getting new players from trades until the moment the trade happens. That means Adelman has no say in who he's getting and who he doesn't want to play, etc.
Absolute to what? Is there a non-moneyball approach? The term "Moneyball" is just clever branding done by the Billy Beane, but $Ball analytics has existed since the basketball pioners decided they should write down how many points each guy scored individually. What DM is doing is just a more accurate version of that. As for Adelman leaving, he left because: 1. Les didn't want him around cuz he made wrong subs and acted like a senile, grumpy old man on camera 2. DM didn't want him cuz he didn't use the $Ball stats DM gave him. I guess if the Rox overachieved during RA's days it would be forgiven, but we missed the playoffs for 2 straight years, and if DM didn't trade Brooks away we'd probably have been one of the worst teams in the west.
Daryl Morey has some advanced stats he uses. Apparently not just the basic and even "advanced" stats in use in basketball today. Also believe me I'm not a Morey hater. I still think its wonderful how he got us Scola and Lowry for CHEAP. However, I don't think his stats-heavy approach incorporates intangibles and team chemistry.
I don't see why choosing not to involve a head coach in trade discussions is a moneyball thing. Didn't Adelman meet with Brad Miller and Trevor Ariza before we signed them? Don't people argue that he was involved in our drafting of Aaron Brooks? And if we're "absolutely" moneyball, why did Morey hire two head coaches that aren't particularly stats-inclined anyway?
