It's no leap in logic because you guys continue to say Lowry is a better allround player while it's just not true and no expert/person with knowledge would agree with your sentiments. Saying he "DOES" have a better allround game because you say it in caps doesn't add to credibility. Rondo is a better playmaker, defender, leader and rebounder. The tiny f.ckin aspect of "shooting" makes Lowry a better allround player, even if he's not as good as Rondo in every other aspect of the game? Where is the logic, tell me. The love for Lowry here is sickening.
Still think they give you almost exactly the same thing. Lowry better shooting, Rondo better playmaking. Defense and rebounding are extremely close. Leader? I mean I guess you can have that one, but how do you call a guy who played the majority of his career next to 3 HOF's the leader of that team. He is the facilitator of the team, a job that I think Lowry could have easily handled as well. One is paid almost half as much as the other.
This is my last reply because you are obviously arguing for the sake of arguing. You said people claimed that Lowry is on par with Rondo in terms of playmaking. I asked you twice already to show me the posts that made that claim, and you still haven't. Then you said So you are saying that because people said Lowry has a better all-around game than Rondo, you interpreted that has Lowry on par with Rondo in playing abilities. That's a leap in logic. Then I presented you the analogy of Steve Nash and Lebron James, which you conveniently ignored. I said if I claimed that Lebron James had a better all-around game than Nash, does that mean Lebron is a better playmaker than Nash? Lastly, again how is shooting a "tiny aspect". Shooting is perhaps one of the biggest part of Basketball. Rondo's inability to shoot was exploited in the playoffs, I don't think that's a "tiny aspect". Furthermore, I already told you why Lowry is a better all-around player, because Lowry has no weakness in his game, whereas Rondo does. That alone means Lowry is a better "all-around" player.
You can't look at it in such a simple manner. Lowry may be an average playmaker, but he's an above average shooter. Rondo is an above average playmaker, but he's a horrible shooter. Don't forget that in the 2010 finals, Rondo's inability to shoot cost the Celtics a championship. If you recall, Kobe guarded Rondo, gave him plenty of space, and dared him to shoot. This totally neutralized Rondo's ability to penetrate or make plays.
I can't remember the last time I saw a triple-double that was at least 15 in each category. That's just sick. Maybe Magic Johnson, or a Lebron performance that I'm not recalling.
Let's give grades for every aspect, like offense, defense, playmaking, rebounding, steals, athleticsm, ball-iq, leadership. Rondo gets A in like everything besides offense. Lowry gets like A- on offense and no other A. That leads to Rondo being an overall A while Lowry is a B. That makes Rondo more valuable in other aspect of the game other than shooting. He won't give you the best shooting but will boost your team heavily in every other aspect of the game. His defense, leadership and elite playmaking will give your team a very great chance at winning.That leads me to the conclusion that he's a better allround player and more valuable to a team. Now tell me how you define it and how you see Lowry coming out better than Rondo in any logical system that is related to winning and value.
And to add, it doesn't matter if Rondo is worse in shooting than Lowry. His playmaking more than makes up for it because the teammates get easy buckets. Lowry averages 1.5ppg more, but Rondo has way more assists, better defense and every other thing I mentioned in previous posts. So coming out of it, a team with Rondo will average more points and will probably hold the opponent to a lower fg%, too. Lowry making more shots doesn't mean **** then cause it doesn't translate to actually wins.
Lowry gets no other As besides offense? No A for rebounds besides being one of the leaders in all guards in rebounds? (He's the averaging the same as Rondo) No A for defense besides being touted as one of the better defensive players for his position? No A for steals besides being 6th in steal? (Rondo is not even top 10). How the hell did you come up with Rondo being A for everything besides offense, whereas Lowry is only A- for offense and B on everything else? You could at least be a little objective with this. And being more athletic doesn't somehow mean you are a better all-around player.
Okay if you want to give Lowry something in the A range make it A-, but then you have to give Rondo A+ because the stats prove there's a gap between them in these categories. And the last sentence made me laugh, I don't know how you dumbed it down to athleticsm only making Rondo better. Athleticsm is of course a big factor that has to be taken into account as it hugely transfers into actual games and can seperate good players from stars.
I'm done, you can't be this stupid. This is what you said. Why would you give a grade to athleticism when that has absolutely nothing to do with a person's all-around game? There are a ton of guards more athletic than Lowry, it doesn't mean anything. That's like saying height is part of a person's all-around game. You aren't making any sense, why does Rondo get A+ in the A range and Lowry only A- at best? They are averaging the same number of rebounds, so Rondo gets A+ and Lowry only A-? Lowry is 6th in steal, so Rondo gets A+ and Lowry only A- when Lowry averages more steal than him? This is brain damaging to read. You never address the points that I refute, you keep jumping around. And you STILL haven't shown me a post that states Lowry is on par with Rondo in playmaking. If you're just going to keep dodging questions I'm done.
rondo is better than lowry at everying besides shooting. If he can get that aspect of his game up to par he will be best PG in league
Would it surprise you to know that coming into today's game, Lowry has higher averages in ppg, ts%, rpg, spg, bpg, and has fewer turnovers per game? Rondo has more apg, but you can make an argument that its higher b/c Rondo has superior teammates. The problem is that by creating a separate category for "athleticism", you're actually counting it twice since a player's athletic ability is built into his playmaking, defense, rebounding, etc...
