WTH you talking about homer? I haven't said 1 single thing about Lowry in this entire thread. I made a comment about Rondo's stat line, which on paper looked like one of the great games of all time, but wasn't that effective imo.
This is what JVG criticized, most of you guys only look at the last few minutes. Without him performing like the GOAT the game would've never been this close so all your observations are irrelevant. It doesn't matter when the points are scored, they still count the same and add to the scoreboard the same way. If he played mediocre and dished it like only 8 times they probably would've been down by 10 or more. And he more than made up for the bad shooting with TWENTY(!!!) assists and 17(!!!) rebounds.
I think you don't get my point and the point of the thread. Read the op, it says WHICH PLAYER IS BETTER. All that contract or sympathy **** needs to be out of this thread because it doesn't add to the discussion. We are talking about "who is the better player". The question isn't "who has a better contract and would be better for the Rockets". The majority here either doesn't read the OP and tries to add twists to the topic or just doesn't know better. To your 2nd point, when did I say Rondo has better players and therefore is better than Lowry? I say that if you surround both guys with good players Rondo will be more valuable to a team because of playmaking, defense and other things. Also, Lowry is only scorin 1.5ppg more than Rondo, so they are pretty close in that regard. Plus Rondo is surrounded by Allen, Pierce, KG who score on a high level and take points away from him. We all have seen that Rondo can put up 25+ points in past games and especially in the playoffs, you guys are making up that Lowry can consistently score better, no stats back it up.
Lowry...with game on line he is better clutch shooter especially better free throw shooter...Lowry is way better shooter, slightly below rondo on defense but better all round player...plus from all that's been said, rondo is high maintenance guy
So you repeating the word "shooter" three times makes Lowry a better allround player? Sorry but some of you guys have me crackin.
To your first point, that's fair. To your second, this is what you said. You were implying that because Rondo is surrounded with good players, it's not a question that he is a better player. If he you meant something else, that's fine. Rondo could score, but he can't shoot. He was exposed during the playoffs because of his inability to shoot. And you make the point that Rondo is surrounded by Allen, Pierce and KG therefore he scores less, but you completely ignore the fact that because of these exact same guys his assist numbers could be better because of that very same fact. Furthermore, it's much easier to score with better players surrounding you because teams cannot double team without allowing a good player to be open. Teams could double team on the celtics however because Rondo could not shoot, and that was exposed. Also Rondo averages about 5 free throws per game, but he only shoots 60% from the free throw line. He is taking points away from himself.
^^ I think if you don't see that Rondo is the best playmaker in the NBA along with Nash that is pretty telling. That you guys even compare Lowry's playmaking to Rondo and say Rondo only dishes as much because of his team is dumb. Rajon has incredible vision, ball-iq and handles which make him a supreme floor general. My "surround him with good players" post means that if he is on a team with guys that can shoot or finish in the paint he is one of the most valuable and best guys a team can wish for to be a contender. I don't think Lowry will ever be even close to that value on a contending team.
Read the thread and past comments from people here. And you also semi-implied that with your "but you completely ignore the fact that because of these exact same guys his assist numbers could be better because of that very same fact."
No, the point I made about the assist number is in response to this. So if you are going to say that Rondo's scoring numbers are deflated because he is on a team with good scorers, then it's only fair to say that his assist numbers are inflated because of this very same fact. Especially when Rondo has the ball in his hands a lot. And, I'm looking through this thread. I don't see people comparing Lowry and Rondo's playmaking abilities and saying they are similar.
They are saying Lowry is a better scorer and a better/same allround player or on par with Rondo. That includes playmaking in my opinion. If so many guys here say Lowry is as good as Rondo in terms of allround game that implies that they believe he has the same abilites as a playmaker. Or seeing how the majority here votes for Lowry it leads to the conclusion that they believe they are almost on par in terms of defense and playmaking.
That's a massive leap in logic, and broken at that. You still haven't shown me where people said Lowry's playmaking skills are on par with Rondo. Also, if somebody said Lebron is a better all around player than Nash, does that mean Lebron is a better playmaker than Nash? To add more to that, people are saying Lowry has a better all around game because he DOES have a better all around game. Lowry has every aspect of the game covered, shooting, passing, rebounding, defense. Rondo can do what Lowry could do (and better in a few aspects), but he can't shoot. So, when it comes to an "all-around" player, I would say it's fair to say that Lowry is more complete than Rondo.
No no no no no. That's too much That situation just proves how stupid this fanbase is terms of basketball knowledge First of all it was about being at the same level with CP3. A few weeks later it was an epic "Lowry is better than Deron Williams". Now it's Rondo Bill Simmons called Kyle a Rockets version of Fat Lever. A that's the case
