Not really, since they both lost to the same team but one lost in a close 7th game while the other got routed by a near Finals record in the 6th game. LeBron also played better vs Boston than Kobe that postseason, with a worse supporting cast. Great pst breakdown btw.
What I said was Kobe proved that he could single-handedly man a team to victory. He took D-League teams in the 2000s to postseasons. When he had a better supporting cast, his stats went down but he was WINNING CHAMPIONSHIPS (which is the ultimate goal). One is winning championships while the other is a career choker/loser. ECF in the East does not mean that much more than a Western Conference postseason berth.
For everyone: check Kobe's advanced stats like WS/48. Then check MJ's. Michael Jordan had 10 better seasons ws/48 wise than Kobe's BEST SEASON. 10 seasons. 10. I repeat: 10. CP3 may not be as successful rings-wise as Kobe is, but he is a better player right now imho, than Kobe ever was. Same goes for Lebron. There were years when arguably Dirk, Timmeh, McGrady were better. Kobe is a great, great player don't get me wrong, and he is extremely consistently very-very good. But he doesn't come close to Jordan.
MJ was so ****ing over rated, he was a ball hog who got the most star treatment of any nba player of all time. Think about it from this perspective: how much did the NBA, nike, ted turner make off of MJ? MJ is the biggest cash cow of any athlete in history, literally tens of billions of dollars made off of his name from nike. Not including bulls team merchandise. Tens of millions in commercials, large factories in china using child labor, cheap labor(2 dollars a day), oppression of workers unions. It was big **** going on fiber optics and satellite, cable tv were intergrating television durng the late 80s and early 90s like never seen before. People could watch the nba everywhere, and guess who happens to step into there prime at the right time? the nba wanted and needed jordan to be there MVP because they were making a killing.
People should also watch more Kobe in playoffs. IE vs Denver, PHX, Jazz (x2), the Magic in the finals...and more. Those were absolutely HOF worthy series. LBJ has had a few of those as well, but until he wins a ring...well, at least when he starts showing up in the Finals, he's not up there with Kobe. CP3 is a great player, no doubt, but I've never seen him really dominate a series. Dirk had a great run last year, but all these players just don't match Kobe in terms of the consistency of drive. Case in point, who picks Dallas to win this year? No one really. Kobe got to the finals SEVEN times, and maybe more down the road. Just saying. Kobe just has an obsession with the sport, as all great sports figures do. After he retires, his image will be more iconic than Duncans or Dirks or whoever. Basically, he'll be up there with MJ, Magic...and I actually think that's it.
Numbers don't lie. Accomplishments don't lie. Most star treatment? Players today get away with a ton.. just as much probably. The NBA is probably making more off of LeBron, Kobe, Wade, etc. now than they ever did in the past with the way the media is now and with the amount of viewers that have grown since then. So you're saying because of the timing, Jordan is who is he today? lol. That's a joke. Now you're just hating. Oh and people don't respect and admire MJ for what the media and his endorsements portrayed him to be, it's what he did and the way he accomplished it all which is what most basketball fans look at.
Numbers dont lie, i will give you that in terms of stats. I think mj was better than kobe but not by a great margin. Yes, players get way more calls today than back then, thats no surprise- the league has changed. But if you are going to argue that MJ did not get more star treatment than other players at the time, id call bs. Everything from him winning dunk contests that he should have lost, pushing people on the ground to make championship winning plays, to getting into fist fights with other players who get suspended even though they didnt throw the first punch. ( atleast mj didnt get suspended, until everyone called the league out on that bs) so yes, mj got more star treatment out of any other star during his time. I think many would agree. yeah nba ratings were at there highest last year, but the nba made significant strides in people watching the nba going into the 90s. lets be real, the 90s arguably may have been the most entertaining decade to watch basketball. But thats media, and there is a big difference between the ammount of tvs in homes today vs. 20 yrs ago. Of course more people are going to watch the nba more. Regardless,kobe, james or wade will never have the shoe brand or the name that mj has. And i dont thk that has anything to do with mj having way more talent. and no its no joke that mj was a huge cash cow and that the nba and nike milked his name for everything it was worth. That is not hating on his talent, but pointing to the fact of how mj is THE icon of basketball and considered the greatest. I dont think he is the greatest, Ill go with wilt.( Bill worrelll would approve ) his accomplsihments are set in stone, no doubt. But if you look at it from my perspective, it makes you think how much of that was padded by the league. Conspiracy? Possibly.
considering lebron's playoff numbers are better than kobe's, maybe you should watch more lebron in the playoffs? even if we don't hold kobe's first 3 years against him, we're talking PER of 26.3 to 22.9 and WS/48 of .222 to .167. by the way, both of those numbers for lebron are second best since the magic/bird era started in 1979-80. both behind some guy named michael jordan. if those were HOF worthy series for kobe then practically every series lebron has played in except the 2 finals have been HOF worthy series. hell, his 2009 playoffs are by far the best individual playoff performance ever (for multiple rounds). record PER of 37.4. closest in the shotclock era is kareem with a 32.4 one year. even MJ only got up to 32.0 and he's the best ever practically no matter what stat you look at. a difference of 5 in PER over every playoff run ever. that's like secretariat at the belmont, only if he was racing all the best times in history and not just the horses from 1973. and the finals is probably the last place people should look to support kobe. goodbug likes to post lebron's finals numbers but kobe's aren't much, if any, better. if lebron's 41.7 FG% is bad, then kobe's 41.2 FG% is worse. something like 25/5/5 (i think those were kobe's numbers, one of those might be a 5.5) isn't much different than 19/7/7. 2 assists (equal to 4 points) and 2 rebounds makes up for the 6 extra points essentially. kobe's best finals was the 4-0 sweep over NJ that should barely count as a series. that's the only time he ever shot over 43%.
Every year LeBron played 1-2 rounds of east bottom feeders that could barely make .500, while the No.8 team in west was a 50 wins team. LeBron's just a stat-padder. The two times he had a chance to play an western team, he choked badly.
