[Hardwood Paroxysm] Kyle Lowry should be Untouchable

So Morey should use your logic instead?

Lakers: "We'll give you Gasol for Lowry."
Morey: "But Lowry's better, younger, and cheaper. I don't think so."
Lakers: "But you are a mediocre team that doesn't have a chance to win anything."
Morey: "So you're offering me a chance to be a crappier mediocre team that doesn't have a chance to win a championship?"
Lakers: "Yes. I give you an older player, crappier player making 3 times his salary. How can you say no to that?"
Morey: "... You are right. I can't say no to that. You are just reasonable"

 

No he's not. He's saying that Kyle's value on the court is much higher than his salary.

 

? Jeremy Lin did not get drafted. He does not have a "Rookie Scale Contract." Hence typo.

Lin is actually on his 2nd contract....just like Lowry. Lin needs his own category...like "$1-3m How did everyone miss this" deals.

 

But Clutch doesn't like Japanese, and he would never do business with them. Plus, he went to MIT with Morey and hates Harvard.

 

Where does my logic suggest to you that the trade dialog between GM's turns on whether or not one franchise is more successful than another?

I mean it's almost as if you're logic tries to suggest that....

"Hey, Lowry is our only player with star quality therefore we need other teams to respect our situation so we can exclude him from trade discussions and only talk about deals in the context of the players we want and the players we're prepared to trade for them."

And while it's obvious that Gasol is an older and more expensive player than Lowry, it's no foregone conclusion that Lowry is better, in fact he isn't better if it's based on anything related to accomplishment.

There is no guarantee either player hasn't peaked and will never be as good as they are right now again for any team. That's why there is risk in trading.

 

this makes it very difficult to invest in a new Lowry jersey for my son's birthday.

 

What did you mean Japanese? Lin is Chinese, while China is the 2nd biggest market. As for clutch, this website definitely makes money from online advertising, and the traffic (impression, clicks) determines prices. It's not difficult to think about this chain:

Lin as Rocket ==> web traffic on clutchfans.net ==> online advertising money.

 

Are you saying China would still be the 2nd biggest market for the NBA if Lin were Japanese?

 

I am not sure clutch hates Harvard or not, but I think he doesn't hate money. Let me know if you think he hates money. Otherwise, I wouldn't mind getting some money from him if clutch hates it.

 

Lin is not Japanese. Lin is a Chinese. That's a Chinese last name

 

Trading Lowry to get another player isn't an upgrade, its a lateral move to downgrade when you factor in salary.

I don't really know why you hate Lowry so much, but the plan should be to pair him (and his cap friendly contract) with a superstar, not trade him for one. What will a superstar do here if he was alone? LMAO you think superstars don't cost money.

 

Thank you Yoda. Improved Kyle has!

 

Lin is American. Ask Clutch how much money he made while Lin was in training camp here. Probably not much of a difference. Lin would've been 3rd string here, he would not have gotten all the recognition he has in New York, it would not have been a difference maker for this site, and lastly, we don't need a bunch of LOF's right when all the YOF's finally went away.

 

This post doesn't make sense because trades aren't one for one. You CAN take off your best players off the table and still get a good player back. What matter is you have the goods the other wants, enough to part with their best player. What Meh is saying is correct Lowry is for all intents and purposes untouchable because he gives us more than we'd get if we traded him.

Clippers best player: Blake Griffin
NO's best player: Chris Paul

Lakers best player: Kobe
Memphis best player: Gasol

Boston best player: Pierce
Minny's best player: KG

etc etc etc

 

I think people are drawing a false dichotomy between "tradeable" and "untouchable" when the reality is "valuable". Fact is, Kyle Lowry has easily one of the five best contracts in the NBA. He's easily the best player on our team, easily a top 10 point guard, and he's 25. All of these combine to make his value very high. We shouldn't be willing to trade him for Pau Gasol straight up (reasoning). But that doesn't mean that Morey is calling guys and telling them he wants to make a trade and oh yeah, Lowry's untouchable. It doesn't mean that he'd give the finger to the Bulls if they offered Derrick Rose or the Nets if they offered Deron Williams. It just means that if you want Kyle Lowry, you will pay dearly...imo, how it should be.

 

Someone mentioned Steve Nash in regards to improvement that can be made after the age of 25. Lowry's improvement and work ethic makes him a keeper unless he nets you Deron Williams.

 

Yeah. Lowry will have to learn to slow it down and become a more skill-based point guard if he wants his body to last like Nash's has, though.

 

so would you trade Lowry for Lin if available ?

 

Neither team makes that trade.
Houston because Lowry is the much better player.
NYK because Lin is much more profitable.

 

This logic is why we havent progressed since Morey became GM