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I'm Convinced! Trade Martin and Scola

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by coachbadlee, Feb 28, 2012.

  1. acsorelle4

    acsorelle4 Member

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    "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
     
  2. teebone21

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    rockets need help scoring in the post scola is not the answer trading him would benefit us.
     
  3. ashishduh

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    Scola was playing C in the 4th. Some fans are just clueless lol.
     
  4. acsorelle4

    acsorelle4 Member

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    Seriously. I say let them talk though. This thread is exposing quite a lot of stupidity. Sometimes even the worst threads serve a good purpose.
     
  5. coachbadlee

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    I used a lot of words in that statement.:rolleyes:
     
  6. coachbadlee

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    Some coaches too.
     
  7. flamingdts

    flamingdts Member

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    They know a lot more than you and everybody else on Clutchfans.
     
  8. Phillyrocket

    Phillyrocket Member

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    I am warming up to the idea of trading them for Garnett's expiring corpse/contract and maximize the cap space.
     
  9. 18pbr

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    Cause Kevin McFail is not bright. It's baffling to me with all of the film study and preparation, you would think they will have a clue on which player is useful or not.
     
  10. coachbadlee

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    True, but sometimes, i can't tell.
     
  11. dobro1229

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    Actually McHale did a good job going small ball. Thats the only shot he had at winning these types of games. Kudos to him on recognizing the situation and giving his team the only advantage they have.

    He HAD to put Scola in the game to draw in the defense enough to get a shot off. Realize that McHale was trying to put Patterson in on defensive possessions as much as he could when there was a dead ball.

    Although I agree with coachbad that Scola is a defensive liability, the attention he attracts on the offense still helps open things up on the perimeter even when he cant even get the ball in the post. He is however, one of the worst defensive post players in the game, and not a long term solutions for the Rockets.


    -I would actually argue that Scola is a better Center then he is a PF on defense. Scola is at his worst when he has to show on screens and chase guys off the dribble. When playing center and guarding guys like Aaron Grey, he can shade over more on defense and be less of a liability for allowing the offense to break down the defense.
     
  12. Codman

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    Wrong.

    Scola gives you a solid 18 and 7 every night. He plays even bigger with more touches and a simple pick and roll, which the Rockets have strayed away from for a bit.

    Not many PFs in the league do what Scola does and for LESS money.

    Also, you might get a guy with more talent, but can you ensure that he will play as HARD as Scola every night? No, you can't. Scola plays his ass off even when his shot isn't falling. Other power fowards disappear if their offense is shot for a quarter. He keeps going.

    If you want to get rid of Kevin Martin, you won't find equal value. His shot has been off, but he's a different breed of player that gets the job done in ways that others can't. Getting to the free-throw line is an art, the way he does it, anyway.

    I am in full support of having Lee take his place, but too many of you are all for trading Kmart like he's a basketball-related piece of trash (i.e. Thabeet)

    To me, I think the team would be solid with one more legit big man. Trade the 09ers (all of them if need be) for a forward/center combo that gives you 18 and 7, like Scola. He doesn't have to be a star either. A guy who can shoot and rebound is ideal.

    Honestly, Chris Kaman would greatly solve a bunch of our current deficits. The guy can score in the post with ease, rebounds decently and has height.

    You don't trade Kyle at this point unless it's for a home run. You certainly don't go back to acquiring Gasol anymore, because NeNe isn't coming here (Family keeps telling me that Coach was a huge reason for that). It doesn't make sense to build around Pau.

    The team the Rockets have now is not a championship contender, but it is a big man or two away from doing damage. Sammy has done a decent job, but he needs help. Scola is needed in this area.

    I swear to Bobby Brown though...if DM disposes of Kyle for some sort of "asset," I may lose it. I have a bad feeling that he's going to pull of a desperation move to get a "name" here. The name might not even be a game changer.

    Yikes.
     
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  13. BigMaloe

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    i would be happy with a scola trade... even martin in some cases... i have changed my stance a bit on trading both... i use to be very pro trade because of thier lack of defense, but i recently read an article that made quite some sense... the arguement is that you never trade your leading scorer when your trying to make the playoffs... he might be lacking defense but he can still be extremely efficient when he is hot, and it seems like he is learning how to get to the charity stripe with the new rules... that being said i would still trade them for pau because he would pick up the scoring and add defense and a interior presence as well as star we lack...
     
  14. conquistador#11

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    yes let's trade them for a young promising star.. maybe the thunder will give us durant or westbrook, lakers could give us Kobe, the heat can part ways with lebron, wade or bosh.
    Teams are just lining up to trade their franchise players and/or young talent!

    Seriously, a team that is rebuilding is not going to want these guys you hate. And a team that wants them is is not going to give you what your asking for. Your best option is to wait until next season when Martin's contract can be moved. Why can't people just enjoy the freaking games! If a move happens, it will happen.
     
  15. dreamshake09

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    Ah so you're the kind of poster that constantly needs to blame, especially in light of our current record.
     
  16. flamingdts

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    Of course you can't, that's why you are a fan and McHale is a coach and HOFer. Most people were dumbfounded and labelled McHale clueless when he played Parsons over everyone else. Most people were calling McHale an idiot for not playing Thabeet.

    At the end of the day if you can win games with this squad, you are a pretty good coach. The discrepancy in talent is pretty apparent.
     
  17. Amel

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    the average fan sits behind a computer, you

    the coaches coach and make decisions which pay them so well, McHale
     
  18. dobro1229

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    No, McHale is smarter then you, me, or any of the fans at coaching basketball on this board saying he doesn't know what he's doing as a coach.

    If you think McHale doesn't know basketball, then your the one whose "not bright."



    The Rockets roster has nothing but perimeter oriented jump shooters. Scola is all the Rockets have as far as points in the paint. They MUST have Scola out there if only to draw attention in the paint and open things up on the perimeter. If not they are stuck taking contested jumpers. Until Morey can improve the roster issues McHale is stuck with having to use Scola again and again. The only way they are going to win games is to play small ball. Get used to it.
     
  19. THELANDLORD

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    if both scola and martin go in the same trade it has to be for a power forward because we have clee and also dragon could take some minutes at forward whereas we have no one that could step in at forward other than ppatt
     
  20. VBG

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    Kevin Martin's defense is now underrated. He's not great, but he is nowhere as bad as people act as though he is.

    He actually has been playing help defense and has been solid.

    Today, he got open shots. He missed them sure, but he got the open shots and was aggressive.
     

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