Oh for god sakes people, get off the Gasol train. I promise you the Lakers have moved on from this. This guy is delusional if he thinks that Kupchak is holding out for this one deal with bated breath thus making it a 75% likelihood. That's just nuts! There are several other deals in the works right now including some that involve the Lakers acquiring a point guard using their draft picks and their TPE and keeping Gasol right where he is in LA. If Kupchak traded Gasol for this "dog's breakfast" of no star Rocket players, the deal would be seen by everyone in LA most especially Kobe, as a salary dump with no thought to improve the team, and a lynch mob would be formed immediately. Pau is an extraordinarily popular player in LA with the large hispanic community especially, he's seen as a hero having brought in two championships since he arrived. He is the Laker's version of "Robin" and Kobe is "Batman". They are not going to trade him for a non star lineup of spare parts just because this clown thinks that the overarching priority is to land a point guard at all costs. There are other ways to land a point guard. And there other teams with star power point guards willing to discuss a Pau trade even if Houston is not. Time for the Rockets and the fans to move onto someone else. Geez are there no other big man targets out there aside from Gasol worth discussing? What's the problem with Gortat not being on anyone's radar?
Lowry has been only a backup point guard until the half of the year of last year after Aaron brooks.. You can find players like lowry in the draft but gasol is a franchise building player pare him with martin, and having cap space for max player like deron Williams is a nice big three. In Memphis he was backup, I really don't understand him being untouchable. A player that's been a regular starter only for year shouldnt be Considered untouchable... The most important reason you make the trade for gasol is chance to pare him with deron Williams or even Dwight howard. Let everyone expire. Having Martin and gasol will make about 31 to 32 million dollars still about 25 million to work With to build a team. Morey will not make trade that takes way him being able to offer a max contract... They have a team option on dalembert that will not like exercise to maximize cap space
I know big men with skill don't fall off as much as most nba players do but no matter what he will fall off, although he probably wouldn't be bad for the next 3 years or so lowry is still 5 years younger (most pg's stay on they're game until 29-31) and more valuable because of his contract. You would be lying if you didn't say lowry's contract was more enticing then pau's. Yes pau as a 7 foot big man with skill is special and i'd love to have him on the team just not for lowry, i also think your theory of replacing lowry in the draft terrible, yes lowry's more replaceable in the draft then pau but replacing lowry still isn't going to be easy, lowry is a top 10 pg thats 25 on 6 mill contract your not gonna find that with ease. In the end i agree with a lot that you said but i still stick with my points, i believe lowry has more years of better production left in him then pau, and is more valuable then pau. Im not saying pau will fall of hardcore but he will and is starting to fall of its just the human body, and believe lowrys contract is better then pau's when comparing production.
Why need league pass when we can watch old footage of last year's playoffs? The guy simply GAVE UP on his team during the most important time of the year. I dont care how "skilled" people claim he is. I'd take Scola's hustle over Gasol's lackluster effort any day. If the Rockets trade Scola AND Lowry for Gasol they'll not only set us back years, they'll lose 75% of they're core fanbase. A 35 yr old big man that can bury a 15 footer consistently is going to see minutes before a 31 yr old slightly overweight and short guard. I'm thinking Tinsley lol. I love Kyle, I want him to stay a Rocket but don't undervalue the uniqueness of Pau Gasol. There aren't many players like him, especially since NBA players are soft as 4 year old girls. :grin:[/QUOTE]
I think moving Scola and Lowry for Gasol makes sense if Martin is also moved for Al Jefferson or Josh Smith, preferably the former. Trading Martin (+ our Knicks pick if they demanded it, it will be the 15th pick anyway) for Jefferson + Lowry / Scola for Gasol would yield a lineup of Dragic, Lee, Parson / Morris, Jefferson and Gasol. That's something to get excited about - no starter besides Gasol older than 27, a backcourt that can shoot, two very efficient and high-scoring players on the block, and a fortified bench that would consist of Dalembert, Patterson, Budinger, Morris / Parsons and Flynn (unless we made another small move for a different point guard).
Lowry in any part of a Gasol trade gives the Lakers a clear advantage. Put Lowry on that LA team and they probably go all the way.
no way I would trade Lowry unless we have a second trade to get us an equal-quality or better PG. Dragic cannot run a halfcourt offense effectively with consistency. Pau better watch out if we do get him, I say we try to trade him later for Howard
For the money, Lowry is one of the best PGs in the league. I wouldnt do Lowry for Pau straight up. Similar to the NO/LA/HOU deal, it's going to take a 3rd team to get this deal done. In any trade, Houston is looking for a) An All-Star b) Young Talent or c) cutting payroll for 2012 FA. My guess is Scola gets traded for below what most of us would consider 'market value'....possibly for a struggling former lottery pick, ala 09ers.
[/QUOTE] Great response. I agree. That's a relevant point, his hustle and drive can't grow as he gets older. I respect that as well. Like I said before, Gasol is as soft as a child on the bball court so I won't be arguing much over here. But if you remove Bynum from the Lakers he is a 20-10 guy on that team with the ability to carry a team in the regular season.
I would like to see the team stay together, they have good pieces and cant beat anyone in this league. Pau in my opinion is no better than Scola, in fact i think Scola has more heart and hustle than Pau too. The fact that the speculated trades floating around is a 3 for 1. We would lose our starting pg or our backup who is equally as good. All the heart and hustle of this team would be gone and who does Morey want a disgruntled weak pf that has no heart and doesnt even want to be here. All of the talent he put together for a so called star, b**** please everyone is a star if you call Pau Gasol a star. Have faith in this team their special, and we have enough talent in our starters and our bench to beat anyone in this league.
What the hell is wrong with your logic? We're trading for Gasol and Lowry TODAY, not 6 years from now. Sure in 6 years Gasol maybe good enough to be a role player and Lowry may be fat and out of shape, but right now Lowry is 25 and about to enter his prime while Gasol is 31 and is about to decline. Scola is about as unathletic as you can get, and he also started declining this year. I don't know why you think Gasol is immune to father time. Lowry for Gasol is Kobe for Vlade part 2. A decade ago some NO fan was arguing about how Vlade is one of the premier passing big men in the league, that he was never that athletic to begin with and how age won't affect him blah blah blah. How'd that turn out? Scola+Dragic+Thabeet+maybe Lee is enough to get Gasol. If they really don't bite I don't mind throwing in Patterson to sweeten the deal since they'll also be absorbing Scola's salary. Any more than that hell no. Lowry's our best player right now, you want to get talent comparable or better than him, not trade him away. That would just be a lateral move.
Based on your logic why would you not do Lowry for Gasol straight up? The combo of players for Gasol and his monster salary is fair trade value? Everyone under values our players and their chemistry right now, let desperate teams come to us why are we always pursuing dead end deals.
