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Simmons and Bucher talk Lowry/Pau trade

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Carl Herrera, Feb 23, 2012.

  1. DaDakota

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    Would the team be better with:

    Dragic and Gasol

    or

    Lowry and Scola

    If it is Dragic and Gasol you make the move.

    Lowry is not some uber great player, he is a hustle player, who is not uniquely skilled at anything, there are a lot of PGs better than him and a lot about to pass him by.....

    He is nothing special.

    DD
     
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    Fact is neither are contenders now.

    Lowry is cheaper/younger. With Lowry, at least there is hope you can improve the team via trade or FAcy (especially if you amnesty Scola or dump him for cap relief).

    With Gasol, you are probably stuck with the team and he isn't getting any younger
     
  3. BleedRocketsRed

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    Also ROFL @ your obvious hatred towards Lowry.
     
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    Aaron Brooks however......
     
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    ROFL!!!!!!!! REP!
     
  6. Mr. Clutch

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    Lowry for Gasol makes no sense.

    Gasol is 31 and would not make us a contendor with Lowry gone.

    Gasol and Lowry together however could be really good.
     
  7. DaDakota

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    I ignore the ignorant comments, I don't hate Lowry, never have, but I also don't put him on a pedastal with other better players.

    Lowry is a very nice PG, an above average one, he is not great at anything.

    He is a good team defender, yet is slow laterally and unable to stay in front of his own man.

    He is not good at beating other players off the dribble, has good but not great handles and offensive moves.

    He is a very good rebounder - that is his best trait.

    He runs a team fairly well but does not have the savvy or skill to control the tempo like the best PGs do.

    His shooting percentages are pretty good from 3pt range but not great overall.

    He needs a stop and pop midrange game or floater.

    He flops - the refs know it.

    I don't hate Lowry, I just don't particularly like the way he plays the game and if he was traded for an upgrade, that should be good for any Rockets fan.

    The Rockets are not contenders, nor are they close, if Lowry has to go to get closer, then he has to go.

    If Maury wants to treat them all like assets, so should we fans....

    DD
     
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    Lowry is an excellent defender, penetrator, and rebounder at the PG position.

    He's above average on 3pts and getting better.
     
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    I'm tired of people saying he has reached his peak and his ceiling.

    The guy has improved every year and yet to show signs of decline. If he has a worse year next year, then I would understand it. But I just don't get it.
     
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    Hardwood Paroxysm on Lowry:

    The sterling defense we’ve come to expect Lowry is still expectedly there, but it’s now accompanied by the offense of a young Oscar Robertson elite PG. I’m not primarily focused on the statistics he’s created thus far, though they’re awe-inspiring (near triple-double numbers, a 35.2 PER). No, where Lowry has really improved is control and maintenance of the flow of an offense. Instead of searching constantly for a shift of role and learning how to run an offense, Lowry has progressed into a player initiating terrific ball movement and understanding of court positioning. Where he once chose the first option or simply kicked out the ball to Kevin Martin for a forced, difficult 3, Lowry is now seemingly capable of checking multiple options and finding the highest percentage option within an immediate time frame. This is an ability possessed by all great point guards, but not one associated with Lowry in the past. He delves fully into a defense, absorbs its spacing, and attacks with incredible intelligence.

    http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/201...ry-december-turn-into-a-very-kyle-lowry-year/
     
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  12. DaDakota

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    He clearly has his fans on here - maybe he will get to that elite status - but I doubt it.

    DD
     
  13. Mr. Clutch

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    Yep, and he's still only 25.
     
  14. DaDakota

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    You defend him more than I defended Aaron Brooks, it is an admirable crusade you have going.

    I would hazard to say that the majority of your posts lately have been about Kyle or making one line quips about him - to try to get in the last word.

    Good on ya my man, lead that Lowry brigade - it will get your post count up for sure.

    DD
     
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    There are only a hand full of all star PG's in the league that would be clear upgrades to Lowry. Sure if you could trade Williams for Lowry straight up and Williams was locked up to stay here, then go for it. Of course you will have to give up more than just Lowry, plus have no good reason to think Williams would sign an extension here. The team still wouldn't be a real contender without additional moves, but having an all star could help.

    I'm fine with trading Lowry for a relatively young star who is locked up long term. I'm not looking to get rid of Lowry just because his value might decrease sometime in the future though. There is always the chance that his value might increase down the road as well.
     
  16. sammy

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    Nobody can defend anyone more than DD defended AB, V Span and Wafer. You're delusional. He's arguably a top 10 player at his position making 6 M a year. Guys like Conley make considerably more.
     
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  17. DaDakota

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    You do not have to trade Lowry for a PG, if it makes the team overall better.

    When trading for equal talent always take the taller player - that is why the Lowry for Pau thing makes a little bit of sense.

    If Morey is trying to make the playoffs, do the Rockets have a better chance with :

    Pau and Dragic

    over

    Scola and Lowry

    That is the basic calculus required here. And it is why they just might trade Kyle - while he has improved, and is playing at a near all star level, the Rockets just had a guy in Aaron Brooks also improve and then drop off the map......which probably makes them a bit weary of what will happen with Kyle as well and if they can get a guy who has proven it over years and years of consistent play for him - well makes a good amount of sense.

    I know Kyle has his supporters here, he is a good player, but if the Rockets get better by trading him.....

    Then by all means, trade away.

    DD
     
  18. sammy

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    ^We got it. You don't have to repeat yourself

    Anyway, the money doesn't make sense. It's not happening.
     
  19. DaDakota

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    Ok, fair enough.

    I just believe Morey will trade anyone, and not think twice about it.

    And honestly, with our roster, that is exactly how he should be thinking.

    DD
     
  20. Mr. Clutch

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    Yep, I would do Lowry for Deron as well. Deron could get us Dwight or another superstar.

    There are lots of players I would trade Lowry for, but not Pau. Pau is 31. We'd be in "win now" mode with Pau, and Pau-Dragic is not a championship combo.

    Pau-Nene-Lowry could make a run. Pau-Dalembert-Dragic could not.
     

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