I assume you saw the debate. Tell me about it please. Anyone else who did feel free to comment on how you think the race will be impacted.
Rick Santorum wasn't "Crazy Rick Santorum" tonight. He toned it down, or came with the "I don't want to talk about my beliefs/morals, I want to talk about helping America", exactly what a sane candidate would do. If he keeps that up, along with his surge in the past few weeks, I have every belief that he will convince enough of the base that he is the best candidate for the job. But you know what, crazy people don't stop being crazy! If he gets the bid, crazy Rick is coming back out and it will be GLORIOUS to watch that happen on a national stage.
best news out of tonight is CNN admitted Ron Paul is right that he is 2nd in the delegate race. What this means, is he isn't LAST like every acts he is, and if Florida gets reversed (currently winner-take-all) then Paul is FIRST. swallow that pill. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/vgCEZwrc1o8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Not sure I see the second place or possible first place finish you are talking about. I got that screenshot strait from wikipedia. And on that note... Spoiler
CNN didn't "admit" anything. John King was expressing Ron Paul's consistent message that he thinks he is in 2nd in delegates. someone taping a CNN broadcast from their cell phone and uploading it youtube for 300 views isn't necessarily news from tonight. stop posting.
I wonder if we're learning that a lot of Americans can just get used to having Santorum around. We thought they couldn't -- but they can. Interesting. What might make a compelling ticket in the end, however, is Santorum as the VP. Imagine Gingrinch Santorum, or even Romney Santorum. Those don't necessarily roll off the tongue, but they are presidential tickets that would really make people take notice.
Those numbers, the numbers CNN show, the numbers Fox News show are all projections that they've guessed based only off the popular vote. It just so happens that isn't how the delegates are awarded. For instance in Colorado I believe there are 36 delegates to be awarded. The information given out by the Colorado GOP has 50% of those delegates are Ron Paul supporters. So even though Ron finished 4th in the popular vote, he will receive half the number of delegates for that state. Unless another candidate also received half of those delegates, then Paul actually won Colorado. This is happening in other states as well. Check my post a couple pages back. I posted a chart showing the delegate count from the Ron Paul campaign. Romney had 93 Paul had 82 Gingrich had 29 Santorum had 25
Hey, you got something right! Oh damn, it lasted for one sentence. The reason the CNN numbers are projections is that the national GOP delegates for Colorado haven't been selected yet - your estimates are guesses just like the CNN numbers. The delegates won't be selected until mid-April, when the Colorado GOP hosts their state convention. That will only occur after county conventions that elect their own delegates. At this point, Ron Paul could get 0 national delegates or all 36. While not on the same scale, Ron Paul made the same claims about collecting delegates in 2008: http://www.nolanchart.com/article3438-ron-pauls-delegate-wars-i.html Back in early February 2008, Ron Paul claimed he already had 42+ delegates. Here was the final results at the convention: 2380 Total Delegates 2343 for John McCain 15 for Ron Paul 2 for Mitt Romney
Ron Paul Pummels Santorum in Debate http://www.progressive.org/ron_paul...:+progressivefeed+(The+Progressive+Main+Feed) From his opening jab to his final roundhouse, Ron Paul pummeled Rick Santorum in the CNN debate in Arizona Wednesday night. Newt Gingrich was content to lean back and be professorial, while Mitt Romney also bloodied Santorum, who was on the ropes most of the night. But it was Ron Paul who did the most damage to the putative frontrunner. Asked by CNN moderator John King in the first round why he called Santorum a fake in a commercial, Paul, who was sitting right next to Santorum, didn’t flinch. “Because he is a fake,” Paul said, and he ridiculed Santorum for voting for No Child Left Behind and then campaigning against it. Paul also upbraided Santorum on the contraception issue, saying that the morning after pill is a form of birth control and that “pills can’t be blamed for immorality.” From there, Paul attacked Santorum for voting for Planned Parenthood and then campaigning against it. Santorum answered feebly about opposing Title X funding, but few people in the audience or watching at home could tell what he was talking about. Santorum didn’t help himself when he added, “I admit I voted for things I didn’t like” but “I will defund Planned Parenthood when I’m President.” Paul retorted: “There’s always an excuse.” Santorum went on to say, “Even though I don’t support it, I voted for the larger bill” that included Planned Parenthood funding. The crowd greeted that response with boos. Later, back on the subject of No Child Left Behind, Santorum left himself wide open when he said he voted for that bill also, even though “it was against the principles I believed in.” He tried to cover himself by saying he was trying to help George W. Bush: “I took one for the team,” he said. Paul pounced on that, saying that elected officials aren’t supposed to take “an oath to the Party but an oath to the office.” The obligation, he said, is to uphold the law and the Constitution. This line of attack undercut Santorum’s closer, where he talked about his “principles and convictions.” Santorum also did not fare well in the discussion on earmarks, where he tried to give an elaborate explanation about the need for them but was hardly convincing. And when Santorum assailed Romney for providing the blueprints for “Obamacare,” the former governor flipped Santorum over by pointing out that the Senator campaigned for Arlen Specter against a more conservative opponent, and Specter’s vote was crucial in the passage of Obama’s health care bill. “So don’t look at me,” Romney said. “Look in the mirror.” Romney, Gingrich, and Santorum all tried to outdo one another in their attacks on labor unions and the President. Gingrich had the most outrageous comments, saying: “As long as you’re America’s enemy, you’re safe” while Obama is President. Gingrich might want to fact check that one with a guy named bin Laden. Gingrich also called Obama “the most dangerous President in American history” as far as national security goes, which is a highly inflammatory charge. And Gingrich blurted out this whopper: “All of us are more at risk today, men and women, boys and girls, than at any time in the history of this country.” Oh, really? How about during the Civil War? How about during World War II? How about during the Cuban Missile Crisis? Ron Paul brought some much-needed contrast on foreign and military policy, denouncing the United States for waging undeclared “offensive” and “aggressive” wars and cautioning against a war on Iran. In response to John King’s question about women in the military, Paul said: “I not only don’t want our women to be killed. I don’t want our men to be killed.” Santorum didn’t handle that question well, which was prompted by his unwise campaign remark that women are too “emotional” for the front lines. “I didn’t say it was wrong” to have them in combat roles, he waffled. “I said I had concerns. I still have those concerns.” He still thinks women are too emotional? Someone in Santorum’s corner should have given him smelling salts.
The funniest thing about the debate to me was how all the candidates were going to cut taxes, build a Great Wall II on the border, go to war with Iran, go to war with Syria and beef up our military while at the same time...... you guessed it, lower the debt. Laughable! Also, and I'm somewhat reluctant to post this seeing as how I know it will just encourage the Paul guys here but.... You have to respect Ron Paul putting his anti-war message out there over and over even though he knew the crowd was going to hate it. That takes guts.
Reasons why the Republican Party blows right now: Way too much focus on the social issues Religion is involved Talks about tax plans that will never come to fruition Refusal to cut National Defense One thing I am positive is, I won't be voting Rick Santorum in November.
CBS article about the debate - and NO MENTION of Ron Paul http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/winners-and-losers-from-final-gop-debate/
The only Republican candidate who looks like he isn't either trying to sell me a car or a bible is Newt. And he's just a fat sack of crap. Fat Sack of Crap '12!
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