Sam Presti biting Daryl Morey or other way around?

I think its good to use both,but ultimately,your eyes can't lie. When posters talk about a guy like westbrook, most don't see the pressure he automatically puts of defenses when he's attacking. His aggression and potential to get his feet in the paint outweight his points per possesion.

 

Your eyes lie a lot actually, it's subjective and has a tendency to focus on things that you are predisposed to want to pick out.

Two GMs, one who sees potential in player and the other does not, will not arrive at the same nor similar results when evaluating the player with their eyes. Two GMs, one who sees potential in the player and the other does not will arrive at the same or if not, similar evaluation results if they went by stats.

Eyeball tests are important, but stats are to eyeball tests as evidences are to hypothesis. Stats don't lie.

 

I completely agree! Hell, it is amazing that Presti was able to talk Durant, Westbrook and Harden into coming to Oklahoma...... ohhhh wait, that is right, they were high draft picks....

You are a fool.

 

No, his aggression and potential to get his feet in the paint is reflected in his PPP.

 

I agree with Morey on the subject that data is the limiting factor here rather than just knowing stats. I mean, it still takes an army of scouts and geeks to go through players' games and find more intricate aspects of their games like man-defense, going to left vs right, mid-range shots, etc.

And it seems the Rockets still tend to do well relative to other teams in this area.

 

I agree. Just look what Jerry West was able to do and turn Memphis into LA-East when he went there. Look how Dwight Howard and DWill are clamoring to play in OKC with Sam Presti in all his awesomeness.

 

dm isnt a guy i want to get in a bite fight with

 

If I recall correctly, he's even said that the reason they got Carlisle as coach was because they used stats to determine how many wins he provides.

As has been said already, several teams have stats geeks and use them in their decision-making.

 

The problem with Morey and Moreyball is it's too big a part! Only data points could get us Dorsey (The future prototypical NBA center) and TWill (the best athlete on the team) and let Jeremy Lin go.

Watch the players that play better in the clutch. That play better in big games. That leave there heart on the floor. That win everywhere they go. That play better when the cameras are on. That handle extreme pressure and rise to the occasion. Llull is another one that has that. They need to get him over before he becomes to expensive to bring over and not wait till 2014.

Quit calling players assets even if they are and start looking for heart and intelligence. Quit trying to get players with lousy attitudes that put up good numbers. (Carmelo) Quit making trades for Flynn and Thabeet when Motiejunas and Llull are there for the taking. Quit passing over players (Tyson Chandler) they are great fits for our team because you can't get the best deal in a trade.

You can still win in a deal even if the other team comes out ahead. Dragic and Scola plus a first for Pau is really just Scola and a 1st because you are going to lose Dragic anyway. Morey may have a high IQ and have Moreyball down to a special science but he has kept us in the worst Rocket stretch since before Moses! I am not saying I do not apreciate Morey's IQ or there is no place for it. But he needs to let it get you to the race and let others who have a keener eye on talent take over. Sam Presti is a much better talent evaluator than Morey. He has proven that time and time again. The Rockets need to hire the best Sam Presti impersonator and have him work with Morey. The needed to listen to Agelman more before and now listen.


Moreyball is not a perfect science theLin story should have proved that.

 

High draft picks are required to stay with their original teams now? Durant didn't sign an extension to stay? You're calling someone else a fool? You fail way too much, please stop posting.

 

Who says it's a perfect science? Seriously. And tell me which team was high on Lin. The guy was undrafted and subsequently cut by multiple teams. The whole NBA had a shot at him. Hell, the Knicks were ready to cut him, too. As for the other stuff you typed, it's obvious they acquire people for contract reasons, future trades, and to gamble that a change of scenery will allow them to do well. The guys you're talking about are your 10th-15th men off the bench. If they pan out, great. If not, who cares? You may as well gamble with them.

 

Let me get this straight. The basis of your indictment of Morey's drafting is that in five years, he whiffed on two players that cost us a non-lotto first and a second rounder to acquire?

There's a term for that kind of player. The term is 'superstar'. Morey's been busting his butt to acquire one since before Yao broke. We don't have one because there are about 10 of them in the league and they're nearly impossible to acquire, not because the front office doesn't understand the value of these things.

Quit calling players assets even if they are and start looking for heart and intelligence. Quit trying to get players with lousy attitudes that put up good numbers. (Carmelo) Quit making trades for Flynn and Thabeet when Motiejunas and Llull are there for the taking. Quit passing over players (Tyson Chandler) they are great fits for our team because you can't get the best deal in a trade.

This is actually true. Ideally, teams that lose two superstars spend 3-4 years sucking, acquire a core of star talent, and eventually become contenders again. Unfortunately, Les won't let us tank, and Morey's clever trades and smart drafting have been enough to keep us from being league bottom-feeders like we should have. He hasn't made a good team mediocre, he's made a bad team mediocre.

Morey would be the first to tell you that it's not a science. And everybody needs to get off the Jeremy Lin thing. Yes, we passed on him. SO DID EVERY OTHER TEAM IN THE LEAGUE. THREE TIMES.

 

A team can extend a 1st rounder for the max in his 3rd year. If the player wants to play elsewhere, he has to wait until his 5th year before becoming a UFA and get his first big paycheck. One which incidently would be a smaller paycheck than the one he could've gotten in his 3rd year. This is made worse as the qualifying offer a player needs to play for in his 5th year is much less than the max extension.

For the above reason no player in NBA history turned down his first max extension under the CBAs with rookie/max-caps.

At least have the decency to make sure your own statement has any validity before calling someone else a fool.

 

Well he surely is not getting the job done in convincing. Being snarky does not change that.

 

OKC is good because they 3 top 5 picks. Imagine if the rockets had wall, griffin, and rose.

 

Deron Williams was happy to come over wasn't he? We had a package ready for him but the Jazz didn't want to trade it to a conference rival.

And have you noticed that the big names in free agency all stated the same cities to be trade to? Dwight wants LA, Paul wants LA, Melo wants New York, Stoudamire wants New York. Lebron, Wade and Bosh decided to form a super friend team with the Heat.

That's 7 max contract all-star caliber players in the last couple of seasons who have either demanded or are currently in the teams that they are now. Do you really think that the GMs of those teams are the reason they landed on those players?

 

I think Lin was already here, Rudy Gay wore a Rockets hat, and Nicholas Batum was also a Rocket for a time. Had we had a more appealing team at the time? Morey would get someone to say the Rockets as a destination. As it is the brand has to be built up again. If the brand has to be built up to be recognized again? That happened during Moreys tenure. With some unfortunate Yao and Tmac luck.

 

So Lin is an all-star?

Rudy Gay had nothing to do with Morey, I don't know why people keep bringing this up.

And Nicholas Batum? Morey botched that one for sure, but he's no all-star.

I like how you picked out these specific things under Morey's tenure but you completely ignore the fact that Morey got us Artest to support McGrady and Yao. Morey also acquired Scola. Morey also drafted Brooks, Landry, Patterson, Parsons. He trade Alston for Lowry essentially. He got us Jordan Hill and picks for T-mac.

Again, you're spoiled into thinking that superstars come by so easily. GMs are almost never the reason superstars

 

Fixed.

 

I give him total credit for those other things. Patterson and Scola especially. Those other specific things are so specific. They also have to do with his record if his positive things do.