ahhhh. ok. well, what about OTHER posters wink, wink, who post cool, clever pictures like this in threads? what is THEIR motivation? just curious about the psychology behind it, because, you'd agree that it's pretty close to the lowest form of humor, right?
once again, if you don't understand that using manning's postseason "failures" as one of your arguments is insane, as you are comparing him to a qb who has never been to a postseason. once again, if you don't understand that, i cannot help you. and the "burden of proof" isn't on me to prove anything. a large number of "you" believe that the schaub-led texans would have had a much better shot of beating baltimore. i obviously believe that we would have had a better shot to0. i believe that we would have had a better shot with jake delhomme of brett favre as well, because t.j. yates is putrid, but that's immaterial to this debate. there's also a large number of "us" who believe that, with peyton manning, that team would have won the super bowl. neither one of those can be proved. surely you understand at least that, right? the concept of proof? so you agree that peyton manning would be capable of learning the system, although you think that there's a chance that any qb, regardless of skill level, will always be way better if he's been in it for 5 years? is that accurate? don't want to be accused of putting words into your mouth again. if so, fair enough. i disagree with the latter part, but that's just my opinion. again, "if he is healthy enough to play" also applies to matt schaub. do you understand that? this entire thread assumes that both matt schaub and peyton manning are healthy enough to play. you know nothing about matt schaub's injury, just like you know nothing about manning's. none of us do. the core is still going to be there regardless of qb. if manning were to fail miserably, we aren't forced to start the worst qb in the world for the rest of the decade because of that. schaub isn't a lock to win the super bowl. nor is manning. like i already said, if i'm betting on one, i'd rather bet on peyton manning than matt schaub (both being healthy enough to play, obviously. guess i have to keep qualifying with that since it doesn't seem to be able to sink into your brain). call me crazy.
And to answer your question personally, since everyone else on here for some reason is choosing to elude your owe so clever scenarios, no I just felt like stating what I was thinking thru a simple pic. That is all, not really trying to get into a debate about a pic that pretty much explains itself.
So… you’re not going to answer the question?... You’re going to do what you’ve continually done throughout this thread, which is move the target? Please note: I’m merely pointing out that, independent of ANY comparison, the guy you think gives us our best chance to win the Super Bowl has routinely failed to, you know… win a Super Bowl. And he’s been to the postseason 11 times. So if you’re going to argue we should jettison a QB you admit is likely capable of leading a team to the AFC championship game (“i obviously believe that we would have had a better shot (against Baltimore) to0.”), then pointing out that your replacement routinely does not lead his team to the AFC championship game - and, in fact, is often one-and-done in the playoffs - is so insanely relevant, I’m at a loss how you continue to weasel out of addressing it. Peyton Manning is 9-10 in the postseason. He has been one and done seven times. He has won one Super Bowl in 11 trips to the playoffs. And now he’s 36 and recovering from a serious injury that cost him an entire season. Please, please, please, I’m begging you: explain how *that* guy gives us our best chance to win a Super Bowl in 2012. Don’t mention Schaub; don’t tell me it’s insane (because it is not); don’t mention 2009 – just answer the question. No. I’ve long checked out on this – I keep responding because I want to point out how unfairly you fight. For the record; I did not, at any point in time, say ANYTHING close to “any qb, regardless of skill level, will always be way better if he's been in it for 5 years” What I DID say is that having the QB that has posted a 94 QB rating; thrown for 16,903 yards; 92 TDs; 52 INTs; with a YPA of 8.0 and 65.3 completion % (numbers all very comparable, albeit in a much smaller sample, to Peyton’s, btw) *in this system* is, most assuredly, an advantage. If you want to debate and discuss – cool. But please stop blatantly making stuff up. You’ve done this routinely. I’m not a fan of jumping on someone’s reading comprehension – it’s a lazy BBS crutch. But I really am wondering if you’re reading my posts. That’s three fairly significant lies you’ve now attributed to me. Ahhhh…. OK, so you’re going to concede the Manning injury finally, but in the context of it being every bit as problematic as Schaub’s? No one can predict how an individual player is going to recover from an injury. It is absolutely possible that Schaub will never be the same, that this will be a career-derailing injury. But there’s a documented history of players recovering fully from this type of injury. Ty Law was mentioned earlier in this thread – he made a Pro Bowl his first year back. Manning’s is a total mystery; we’re in some fairly uncharted territory here, dealing with a really scary part of the body. So if you had to gamble money on only one of them recovering fully in time for the 2012 season, who would you put your hard-earned cash on? If we trade Schaub for a chance-in-a-lifetime shot at Manning and he goes Tony Boselli all over us, then, yeah – we’ve pretty much squandered this window of opportunity because a QB of Schaub’s ilk isn’t going to come tumbling into our laps with a snap of the fingers. Our 2012 season would be handed to Leinart/Yates and then we’d have to put needs or continued improvement on hold to dump a whole lot of resources into finding a new top-10 level QB. All because you want to take a gamble on a guy to win a Super Bowl, even though his career is defined by his consistent inability to do so. Makes a ton of sense.
because i think peyton manning is better than matt schaub. last time he played in the nfl, he was better than matt schaub. if he plays in 2012, i think he will be better than matt schaub. i think peyton manning is better than matt schaub. you think matt schaub is better than peyton manning. that much is clear. we no longer need to debate that. i also think that matt schaub is better than t.j. yates! but, i think peyton manning is better than matt schaub! see how that works!!? nope, you just added that. oh, and the only lazier BBS crutch is name-calling and anger-laced postings, which more or less all of yours include. p.s.- it's also 9 times out of 10 because the poster knows his arguments are rubbish. but, i give you credit...only so many different ways you can say that schaub is better than manning. i have never said otherwise. once again, every post in any of these threads assume that manning and schaub are both able to play in 2012. nobody wants schaub freshly off lis franc surgery or manning not cleared to play from neck surgery on the field. manning hasn't even been released by the colts yet. that's the cool thing...we don't have to sign him as of the posting of this thread! i think they both will play in 2012, personally. are you offering me even money that peyton plays in 2012? would gladly take that.
I’ve never said this. I think his injury is less serious; I generally prefer a younger player, given similar performance; I think his experience in this system and with these players is a tremendous advantage. But I do not, generally speaking, think that Matt Schaub is better than Peyton Manning. And I’ve said this. Repeatedly. But that’s all diversion, anyway – a way for you to weasel out of answering a pretty simple question, a question that has nothing to do with Matt Schaub. Why is Manning, whose career has been sullied by an alarming dearth of championships, your choice to lead us to a championship? It took him eight years to win a Super Bowl in Indianapolis; overall, he won 1 in 11 postseason appearances. Meanwhile, he turned in seven one-and-dones. Now he’s 36 and, even with a full recovery, likely on the backside of his career. Does none of that matter? What will be different in Houston? And if you insist on dragging Matt Schaub into this, do you expect him to be worse than Manning in the postseason because, again – Manning’s postseason record is pretty bad. I could understand if the Texans were mired in 8-8 finishes and you thought Manning could be the piece to get them over the hump to 10, 11 wins. But to argue he’s the missing piece to a championship puzzle we don’t even know is missing a piece is, IMO, a stretch, given Manning’s track record, and an idea I’d like you to explain. I have specifically mentioned Schaub, in relation to this system, *six* times during the course of this “debate”: You’re the one who decided that despite repeatedly and specifically mentioning Schaub playing in this system, what I really meant was “any qb, regardless of skill level, will always be way better if he's been in it for 5 years?” This is why, against my better judgment, I had to wonder if you were really reading my responses. Where did I call you a name, cardpire? See above – I’m not throwing random haymakers here. You have repeatedly made things up and attributed them to me - over and over. Even after I’ve corrected you. The proof is throughout this thread – you can pour through previous posts and see your lies and my denials – and yet, you keep at it. While accusing me of being desperate, no less – that’s awesome. And given that I’ve taken time to carefully respond to a string of posts that frankly don’t deserve this much attention, I think you’d be hard-pressed to find any “angry” responses from me. On that lazy BBS crib sheet you mentioned, where does continually making things up fall? Because, again, I do not think Matt Schaub is better than Peyton Manning. I have never said this. I have, in fact, repeatedly denied this. And yet - you attribute it to me… 2? Three times in this response alone? I think everyone, save you, is very much aware of which one of us is desperate. Then, again – have fun debating this with yourself. I have no interest in a dialogue that pretends a 36-year old who can’t throw a ball more than 25 yards and has had 4 neck procedures in 2 years is going to be 100% healthy. The entire reason Manning might be available is because no one has a clue when he’ll be ready to play, and how effective he’ll be able to play once he is ready. So it is a pointless conversation to have if we’re going to pretend his injury doesn’t linger over everything. Wow. Again, I made no declarations about Manning’s 2012 season. Nobody knows what’s going to happen, which is the biggest reason I have no interest in pursuing him. I believe Schaub’s recovery is far more certain, and it is. It’s a broken bone; it required surgery and is now healing. Assuming it heals in time, everything will be fine and dandy. Manning’s injury is waiting to see if a nerve will regenerate – and even then, we have no idea how long it’s going to take him to get back into shape; what degree of risk exists moving forward... If you think those are two peas in a pod, well – whatever. They’re not. They’re both major injuries. But if I had to put money on one of ‘em playing a healthy 2012 season, it’d be on Schaub.
Dude, like DUDE: AS of THIS second posted on Feb 21st at 1:45 PM central time - EVERY QB in any level professional football is BETTER THAN Peyton Manning Manning can't throw past 25 yards. And is even soft tossing THOSE throws. There's no twisting it into fantasy "what if". Because prospects of HIS type of recovery for HIS injury look dimmer than MOST. At best you're COMPLETELY GUESSING. That is a BAD gamble. At BEST, Manning's ACTUAL PROSPECTS as we speak are Yao Ming level damaged goods waiting to be damaged again. Manning can "technically" step on the field, yes. To play flag football with 9th graders. But NO ONE knows how his nerves will heal, or IF they even heal. THEN there's the issue of his BIG MONEY and LOSING other players for GOOD that you'd never get back.
done arguing with you. your posts are getting more and more bizarre as they go. you ask questions, i answer them, then you claim that i don't in long-winded nonsensical responses. the answer to your first question was "because i think peyton manning is better". it's that simple. and the answer to your question of which would i bet on was "i think both will". and i will gladly bet even money with you that peyton manning will play in 2012. you seem like a really angry dude. calm down a bit. i'm just an internet idiot who thinks peyton manning is better than matt schaub. really shouldn't get you this angry. godspeed.
NOW I see where cardpire will add how Schaub HIMSELF is not a sure thing. So then its HYPOTHETICALLY, would you: - Exchange Shaub an 80% probability to regain form with - Manning a ZERO to 40% probability ? Remember at ONE point a HEALTHY Brett Favre played in a Super Bowl over teammate Aaron Rogers, Kurt Warner over Eli Manning, Drew Bledsoe over Tom Brady. Extreme example, Joe Montana over Steve Young. They all had that "edge" and "pedigree". All of them considered the BEST QB in the league at one point. And thats when HEALTHY. Unless its a ONE for ONE swap and you have a good backup, why risk on a DEAD ARM QB in recovery? Its to show that there isnt much wrong in going with the solid QB you already have.
as of this second every healthy qb in professional football is better than matt schaub too. since i'm COMPLETELY GUESSING, it seems like you should jump on that horse and bet even money. i don't understand why you would mock me, when a bet is on the table that you can take, if i'm making a terrible gamble. never has being unable to "put your money where your mouth is" been more applicable.
We have no idea what Matt Schaub may or may not be capable of in the postseason – so how can you claim “Manning is better”? Do you mean he’s better than TJ Yates? Further, how can you claim that “Manning is better” in relation to our Super Bowl chances when, even independent of a direct comparison with Schaub, we have 11 years of underachievement with Manning? I find it staggering that you’re *still* either oblivious to this or flat-ignoring it. Lastly, most believe that with Schaub, the Texans were Super Bowl contenders last year and will be again this year. So explain how they’re a “better” contender with Manning? Again, seems specious considering he’s won exactly one more Super Bowl than Schaub despite leading Schaub 11-0 in postseason appearances. So when you answer, “Manning is better” – it’s means absolutely nothing, and certainly doesn’t answer *my* question. If you don’t want to answer it, or more likely, can’t – cool. But don’t keep telling us you’ve answered a question that you haven’t answered. I have no idea what Peyton Manning is going to do in 2012 and have repeatedly said so. Further, I don’t give a rat’s flip what he does in 2012 and have no interest in wagering on it. Please stop offering this to me. Wonderful. If you’d like to bow out, bow out. But don’t try and do it under the cover of make-believe shortcomings you’ve created as a means to try and discredit me. We’ve all been witness to the slow devolution of your posts, from bombastically challenging people to running from engagement, followed by false attribution and now flaccid “look over here!” distractions. For the record, I'm not desperate or angry; I haven't called you any names; I get why you might think my posts are bizarre - what with their high-falutin' logic and learnin' and all - but they have been pretty consistent throughout and have repeatedly attempted to challenge your engagement, which you have repeatedly run from.
hey dude, please don't insult me like that. oh, sorry, i just re-read the first part of the same sentence and realized that you weren't attempting insults anywhere in your posts. carry on.
Every time you post in this thread I imagine a grown man sobbing hysterically to a picture of Peyton Manning.
hopefully you and i both will be after he leads the texans to a super bowl championship 11.5 months from now. and i'm not that big of a manning fan. i don't even really consider myself much of a fan of his at all. if it were tom brady, aaron rodgers, drew brees or the like that were attainable, i'd be in favor of them over schaub as well.
