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Education in America (inspired by MannyRamirez)

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by giddyup, Feb 19, 2012.

  1. Manny Ramirez

    Manny Ramirez The Music Man

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    We have got to look at other countries - the ones that have surpassed us when it has come to education and see what it is that they are doing differently from us. Maybe some of it is stuff that we would not or cannot implement but we have got to do, as others said, something as the model we have in place for this country is severely flawed.
     
  2. Dairy Ashford

    Dairy Ashford Member

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    I don't think too many kids are being pushed into college, I actually think we dropped the ball 50 - 100 years ago and didn't make enough accredited campuses early on. Every single county should have a halfway decent BS in Nursing, Accounting, CompSci/MIS English.
     
  3. Dairy Ashford

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  4. glynch

    glynch Member

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    It is the same concept, but your thinking is so cult bound by libertarianism or hatred of govenrment that you don't understand. You don't have the right to not teach--abuse-- your kids to read because of your wierd concepts of "freedom" or hatred of government. .
     
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  5. tallanvor

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    You think failing to teach subjects you deem important is on par with beating or tormenting a child? You're nuts and will use any excuse to take power over other peoples choice and lives.

    I give it 5 years before failing to teach your child about man-made global warming is deemed child abuse. I give it 10 years before taking your kid to church is deemed child abuse. One must educate their kid to national standards :rolleyes:
     
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  6. Nook

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    Oh the irony... the irony....
     
  7. Dairy Ashford

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    Since that includes basic handwriting, literacy and arithmetic, I would say yes. The only reason you object to standardized education is because it will lower the curve and shut women, minorities and the poor out of any competitive job market. In fact, employers and business owners won't have any objective standard to be held to; so they'll be able to discriminate with near impunity. Economic feudalism at its most horrific.
     
  8. tallanvor

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    Oh is that why? thanks for clearing that up for me. It must not be the reason previously stated.

    Why would allowing parent's to have control of their child's education hurt minorities/women (personally I find your comment incredibly racist/sexist)? Right now they have no control and that's what I abhor (so I demand giving them choices). It's also what minorities/lower class abhor.

    National education standards promote everyone being under the same system and therefore the parent has less choice/control over their child's education.

    I think you got your head on backwards.
     
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  9. glynch

    glynch Member

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    It is sort of fun to push libertarians to come up with nutty positions. However, what is scary that they might really believe it.

    I guess their position is that The Constitution does not require folks to take reading or go to school so it is not premisible to require it. I feel like we could post this on the Onion.:)

    I guess I do see how it might lead to a purer form of libertarian doctrine, unencumbered by actual facts or history, if it could mainly be passed by word of mouth between illiterates.
     
  10. tallanvor

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    Is this you trying to make an argument? I'm not a libertarian btw.
     
  11. glynch

    glynch Member

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    Ok, a market fundie who is also backwards on social issues. So in your opinion why shouldn't we require that kids learn to read even if their parent's don't want them to? God's Will; the Consitution? What
     
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  12. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    No Child Left Behind standards are ruining education (according to teachers).

    the funny thing is bush actually thinks this is one of his few good accomplishments
     
  13. glynch

    glynch Member

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    I wondered where tallanover gets his kookly ideas from on education.

    Maybe this where?
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    Reporting from Columbus, Ohio— Republican GOP hopeful Rick Santorum may be the most prominent homeschooler in America. So it might not have been surprising that, on Saturday, he told a conservative Christian audience that he intended to homeschool his children in the White House.

    In his remarks to the Ohio Christian Alliance, however, Santorum went further, seeming to attack the very idea of public education.

    Republican Party In the nation’s past, he said, “Most presidents homeschooled their children in the White House.… Parents educated their children because it was their responsibility.”

    http://www.wtvr.com/news/politics/l...stuck-in-factory-era-20120218,0,4309061.story


    OH PLEASE GOD LET IT BE SANTORUM WHO WINS THE GOP NOMINATION !!
     

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