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Jeremy Lin

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    Funny I actually thought I joined before 2003 but LOL I joined in 2008. ):
     
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    Jeremy Lin’s success is due to coach’s system, says Mavericks’ Jason Terry

    Jealous much Terry?? Especially since Nash (the greatest PG to ever run D'Antoni's system) says the exact opposite.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_jeremy_lin_dantoni_system_knicks_021912
    Jeremy Lin’s success is due to coach’s system, says Mavericks’ Jason Terry
    NEW YORK – Hours before Jeremy Lin had destroyed the Dallas Mavericks, delivered one more magical Madison Square Garden performance, Jason Terry raised an eyebrow and let loose with a sly smile. He hadn’t come to celebrate Linsanity, but bring it context.
    Asked how much of Lin’s historic, hellacious success has been a product of New York Knicks coach Mike D’Antoni’s renowned offensive system, Terry told Yahoo! Sports, “To me, it’s 100 percent what it is.”
    Before long, Terry stopped and corrected himself.

    After beating the defending
    champs, the Knicks have now won eight of their last nine games.
    “Ninety-five percent,” he said.
    There was no nastiness out of Terry, just an old Western Conference guard who’s a little suspicious of it all. Before Lin had seen the Mavericks’ Shawn Marion guarding him Sunday, before the mid-court traps and blitzes out of the defending champion’s defense had been thrust on Lin, Terry preached caution. Check back later and let’s see how it goes for the kid. And when later arrived, Lin had 28 points, 14 assists and five steals in the Knicks’ 104-97 victory.
    The fourth quarter came, and so did the big shots, the big passes, and the loud, long Linsanity ovations. Once more, Lin had turned the Garden upside down. Once more, he had New York, had a nation, on a yo-yo. And when it was over, Terry hadn’t changed his mind. No Linsanity for Terry. He isn’t alone in the NBA. In a lot of ways, this is an underestimation of Lin’s ability, but it isn’t an isolated opinion. Terry sees D’Antoni’s system, and he sees inflated stats. It’s a way to dismiss this historic run, and somewhere between Lin’s great ability and D’Antoni’s perfectly fitted system, there’s an ultimate truth.
    “If you play 46 minutes (a game) in this league, you have an opportunity to put up some nice numbers,” Terry said. “Again, it is what it is. He’ll have to maintain this pace. It’s going to be tough. Ask anybody: Give them an opportunity, ball in their hands, 20-plus shots and you better do something.”
    Lin’s done something, done a lot and still he’ll need to do more. And more. And more. Within the NBA, Lin’s story has become a runaway locomotive, and he keeps feeding this monster with victory after victory, performance after performance. Terry would go on to compliment Lin’s journey, his toughness, his faith, but Jeremy Lin as a burgeoning NBA star seems far-fetched to him.
    [Related: Lin asks Taiwan media to respect his family’s privacy]
    There’s something to the notion that Lin’s talents are perfectly suited for D’Antoni’s system, that he’s a beneficiary of it, but the Knicks have plugged plenty of journeymen into the job and watched them fail. D’Antoni needed a savior, and he dropped out of the sky for him.
    Pushback has been inevitable, and Terry isn’t the only player skeptical of the hysteria. For the defending champions, they weren’t thrilled with playing the part of prop for the next installment in Jeremy Lin’s fairy tale. The good teams used to love this trip to New York: Hang out in the city, play the Garden and get an easy win.
    Lin’s changed it. Truth be told, Lin’s changed everything here.
    “Listen, a lot of players would llllove to play in D’Antoni’s system,” Mavericks veteran Jason Kidd said. “He’s taking D’Antoni’s offense and he’s looking a little bit like Steve Nash out there.”
    There was one of those moments Sunday, when NBA Finals MVP Dirk Nowitzki was isolated on Lin late in the fourth, late in a Knicks’ comeback, and everyone knew what was coming. The Mavericks were within a basket, within reach, and Lin was rocking the ball back and forth and everyone had to expect what would happen next. A long, sure three-pointer to seal the victory, one final dagger into Dallas.
    Once again, he made daring drives for baskets and fouls, made shots, made passes and had his hands pilfering passes everywhere on the floor. He’s still turning the ball over a lot – seven on Sunday – but no one will care much as long as the Knicks are winning. The ball was in his hands, the Mavericks were trapping, blitzing and it was inevitable. “This system is amazing for (Lin),” Marion said. “They’re running a thousand pick and rolls. He’ll go from one to another if he doesn’t get what he wants.”
    [Related: ESPN employee fired over Jeremy Lin headline]
    One by one, the Knicks are bringing back and bringing in bigger talents to surround Lin. Amar’e Stoudemire made his return Tuesday in Toronto. J.R. Smith made his Knicks debut Sunday. How did D’Antoni handle it? Well, he didn’t call plays. He didn’t run plays. He let Lin go pure playground, trusted the ball movement, the passing, that’s blossomed with Lin running his team. D’Antoni’s value as a coach is centered on his offensive system, and its revival under Lin gives him a chance to keep this job – or re-position himself for the next one.
    Now, Carmelo Anthony returns Monday against the New Jersey Nets, and that’ll be a most scrutinized partnership. “I think there will be a feeling-out period with ‘Melo,” Kidd said.
    For the first time, this will be D’Antoni’s offense, and his point guard running it. And as the coach tries to keep this job – or get the next one – he won’t mind the notion that Jason Terry, that a lot of players, will be pushing throughout the NBA: Lin is less phenom, and more pawn in the coach’s famous system.
    “It wouldn’t have happened elsewhere,” Terry said. “He was in (Golden State and Houston) and it didn’t happen. He wasn’t given the opportunity in those places, or with those systems. He probably didn’t fit. But in this system, he’s perfect.”
    Wherever the credit goes, make no mistake: This is a dream system for a dreamy guard. He’ll have to keep up this pace, Terry warned for Lin, and the kid just keeps going, and going, and going.
     
  3. echu888

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    LOL. That Terry, always the class act.

    As for this thread, I thought it was about Lin but there's about 40 pages of cat-fight...
     
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    Fixed

    If it's the system why did Douglas and Bibby struggle in it?
     
  6. Angkor Wat

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    LOL Who is hoping he gets injured? It wasnt about a top 3 pick anyway because it's top 5 protected. Its more about anything rockets related that can help us toward the future. A high draft pick does that. And the season is not over, Melo could come back and mess them up, go on a losing streak and hellllo draft pick. :eek:

    Lin is good. His story is great. Hes here to stay. But he isn't a Rocket so it's hard for me to care about guys who don't play for my team.
     
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    lol @ Terry calling himself a PG
     
  8. kevC

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    If Terry is a PG, then Earl Boykins is a center.
     
  9. SunsRocketsfan

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    Terry sounds like a sore loser.
    Coach K arguably one of the greatest coaches ever disagrees and laughs at the concept of being a by product of a system.

    http://www.danpatrick.com/2012/02/20/coach-k-says-jeremy-lin-is-here-to-stay/

    Walt Frazier a Hall of Famer also disagrees and says Lin can thrive in any systems on any team.

    Coach K >>>> Terry
    Walt Frazier >>>>> Terry

    http://www.danpatrick.com/2012/02/20/walt-frazier-says-lin-could-adjust-to-any-system/

    MSG Knicks analyst Walt Frazier joined the show to talk about the Jeremy Lin Lin phenomenon.

    “I think Lin can adjust to any system,” Frazier said. Frazier pointed out that the Mavs changed up their defense on him and Lin still did well. He said Lin has shown a lot of versatility.

    Frazier said he didn’t jump on the Lin bandwagon at first. He only did after the Mavericks game on Sunday.

    “I think Lin can adjust to any system,” Frazier said. Frazier pointed out that the Mavs changed up their defense on him and Lin still did well. He said Lin has shown a lot of versatility.

    Frazier said that he’d force him right and try to contain him, but it’s hard for defenses. “It’s sort of like holding water in your hand,” Frazier said. “You can only do it for so long.”

    Frazier thinks that Lin will be better when Carmelo Anthony returns, buecause he won’t see as many double-teams.

    From a team standpoint, Frazier said the defense has been the key to this run, because they’re getting turnovers and letting Lin do his thing. “Everyone is looking at the offense,” Frazier said. “I’m looking at the defense.”

    Frazier said this team will be dangerous in the postseason. “No one wants to face this team in the playoffs,” Frazier said.
     
  10. BleedRocketsRed

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    I think if he plays like this, he could excel in any system.

    Not any PG can play in the D'Antoni system. It takes a high IQ and outstanding poise to be able to make plays on the run.

    Marbury couldn't cut it.
    Barbosa couldn't cut it.
    Duhon couldn't cut it.
    Douglas couldn't cut it. Same for Shrumpert (at PG), old Bibby.

    The only success stories so far is Nash and to some extent, Ray Felton (and now Lin).



    However, there is no denying that the fast pace does improve his stats (particularly points+assists) higher than it would be in any other system (he would still put up numbers, probably not 20/10).
     
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    So you are not a fan of any other player around the league?

    I'm a huge Rockets fan but I am also a fan of good basketball. I was a Tmac fan before he was Rocket. Also a huge Durant/Howard/DRose fan. Not a fan of Kobe or Lebron but damn I still love watching them play because you can always expect something amazing. This is the same reason why I think Lin has captured everyone's attention. Aside from the awesome story the dude can flat out play and is damn fun to watch. Clutch 3's to win games, in your face 3's over Dirk. It's hard not to care or root for the guy. Of course if you just like to watch/care about the Rockets that's your right and totally cool. But a lot of others also just love watching good/entertaining basketball.

    Unfortunately the Rocket's dont have that excitement now. We are playing to the max of our abilities and cant really get any better. There is no more potential left. We are a mediocore team. While the Knicks have the potential to make some serious noise if they can somehow fit Melo in to the puzzle.

    As for the draft pick. All that talk is kinda dumb to me. Just look at our 09 bust class. We have 4 top picks and even the 2nd pick in Thabeet. Where did that get us? People keep talking about the value of that pick saving the franchise just please stop. The knicks are going to make the playoffs in the weak bottom East. What does that mean for our draft pick? Who knows?! Maybe the 15th pick in the draft turns out better than the 2nd pick. Look at past drafts. There are plenty of all stars that were not the top 5 picks of their draft.
     
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    The question is how many MVPs would PG Jason "I can't dribble left to save my life" Terry win in D'Antoni's system?
     
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    Thank you. Somehow on this forum, being a fan of high caliber basketball regardless of the city it's being played in means you can't be a fan of the Rockets too :rolleyes:
     
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    The only success stories so far is Nash and to some extent, Ray Felton (and now Lin).

    This is very true. On paper, one would feel D'Antoni's system seems easy and that any PG would excel in it, however the only two to have TRUE success (Nash and Lin) are very intelligent players.

    Nash and Lin aren't super athletic (they're good finishers around the rim though) but they excel at utilizing the P&R to perfection and reading the defense using their high basketball IQ's.
     
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    ^^^ That's because Nash, Felton and Lin are the only "true" pgs D'Antoni has ever played. Other pgs who couldn't hack it like Aaron Brooks, Barbosa and Dragic aren't pgs but rather sgs trying to be pgs.
     
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    So that has nothing to do with basketball IQ? Reading defenses? Poise? Being able to make plays on the run?

    Brooks, Dragic never played in the D'Antoni system.

    Starbury and Billups were both "All-NBA point guards" and they did not look like a great fit in the D'Antoni system. Just saying, if this were an "any PG can excel system," why wouldn't these "superstar PGs" excel?
     
  17. BleedRocketsRed

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    And if Duhon is an "SG trying to play PG," then he would be the worst SG ever.
     
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    He's not saying he isn't a good player just that Lin's numbers are inflated by Pringles system. I agree with him. Lin has proven he's a good starter in this league and his numbers are inflated.
     
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    wonder what's a bigger story... Lin or Tebow.. at this point I'm not so sure.. at the time all I could see is Tebow's face everytime I changed the channel.. kinda like that movie "being John Malcovich" but with Tebows face everywhere.

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    Uh... what's the actual difference between PGs and SGs trying to be PGs? Is it not basketball IQ, ability to read defenses, mastery of the P&R?

    Yes, Jeremy Lin's stats are inflated, but to use this against him is just asinine, especially when they're winning games. Was Nash less of a PG because his numbers were inflated under D'Antoni?
     

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