Hurr hurr. Yea, getting a 5-10 draft pick woulda really made us contenders next year fo' sho!!1 Or maybe you haven't noticed the detritus '09 lottery picks currently littering our roster? (FYI, that's the #2, #6, #8, and #11 overall) So tell me, why should I root for some hyped up college kid who may or may not do a damn thing for us NEXT year, when I can root for a once-in-a-lifetime story of an undrafted guy blowing up THIS year? Because no one except Houstonians were rooting for the Rox when we won 22 straight. Because no one but Bostonians were happy when the Red Sox came back from 0-3 to take down the Yankees. Because no one but NYers loved seeing the Giants cockblock Brady/Belichick from reaching immortality, not once but twice. Sometimes, a story just gets so big it goes beyond your provincial homerism. I dunno about you, but when I'm old and grey I'm gonna be telling my grandkids about the great sports stories of all time, not about some mediocre team getting a mediocre draft pick on a mediocre move by a mediocre GM.
What about the story that Jordan had to retire and play baseball so he would avoid making the finals and lose to the Rockets in 94?
What the hell does this have to do with anything? The Rockets winning back to back will always be a great sports moment, with Hakeem still the only player in history to take home MVP/DMVP/FMVP in the same year. 94-95, Still the only team to come from the 6th seed to win it all, beating 4 other 50+ win teams along the way. There's absolutely nothing at all historical about a team moving up in a draft thanks to a trade.
Actually, what I said was that your assertion of the odds that Melo wouldn't be injured if Lin didn't play was supposition, which it was. You're the one who brought up proximate/but for cause, genius. Oh, okay. It's not a logical fallacy. It's a but for cause. But for cause, got it. Oh, okay. It's not a but for cause! Uhhh...sounds like someone doesn't quite understand what he's talking about and likes to backtrack... Let's watch it start: You seemed so certain in your earlier posts, but okay, now it's only a but for cause if it's certain! Let's continue: Now you're certain in the opposite direction! It is most definitely not a but for cause! Posters called you out for your supposed "real" argument, the one about odds, to which you countered with your proximate/but for cause argument. When it became glaringly apparent that you didn't know what you were talking about, you backtracked and turned what was once the basis for your argument into an irrelevant tangent. But hey, that still leaves your "original" point, which we've called out as an example of supposition and post hoc ergo propter hoc from the beginning, before you started playing wannabe lawyer. For you:
I'm talking about telling your grandkids about one of the greatest sports stories... and obviously you didn't get my tongue in cheek comment about Jordan. Serious much?
Hmm, so, from posts where I praised Hakeem, the 93-95 teams, and the '08 22 in a row team, you get that I'm a YOF? Interesting. Actually, I liked TMac more than I liked Yao as players (like Yao infinitely more as a person) for most of the part of their careers here in Houston. Oh wait, now it's time to call me a ToF!!! How original of you. But hey, as long as it fits your paper thin argument right?
The one thing I like about Lin is he's just playing.....keep it up young mand and you will get payed!!!
What scene is shown in every highlight reel before every Finals game, Rudy's "Never underestimate" quote and Drexler and Hakeem celebrating finally getting a ring together since PSJ days? Or Jordan's press conference to announce his retirement? I don't see his retiring as a great sports story, so much as his coming back and winning 3 more. Would I have loved to see us take them in the Finals? Absolutely. Too bad Sonics were always our kryptonite in those days.
Hey Les, you paying attention? The exact type of player your team has been desperately trying to trade for was sitting in your lap, and you let him get away. The exact type of player, in the exact type of circumstances, that you hired Daryl Morey to acquire, and how did that work out? Tell me Les, do a handful of decent deals make up for the most catastrophic blunder your business has made since you bought it?
I never argued about it not being a supposition. Of course its an assumption. I only responded to your response about it being a logical fallacy which it is not. You can't prove one way or another whether or not those odds go up or down. I personally think they do. People starting talking as if I was saying that Lin caused Melo to get hurt which is not what I was saying. At that point I started talking about but for cause to differentiate between the two levels of causation. It was very clever of you to reaarange when and how I brought up but for causation but the first time I said it I said Go check one of your older posts where I again said it wasn't his fault and you responded Well guess what Cuddie, that's what I was saying from the start when I brought up but for cause. I only brought it up in regards to fault if people were taking what I said as fact. If you take me saying Lin caused Melo's injury as fact I'm still not saying Lin is at fault because he was only a but for cause. After that because people like you jumped in after I had already explained why I said it I had to go back and explain to you and other randoms why I originally said it. I can't backtrack if that's my argument from the start buddy.
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