lol, nobody is betting the ravens win a superbowl, that would be stupid, but I can bet you peyton manning wont win another ring (as the starting QB). and what question do you want me to answer? Right now I would pick Schaub because: - Schaub is younger - Schaub injury is less serious - the texans doesnt have to get rid many stars players (Mario, Myers, maybe even Foster, etc) - Schaub can throw the ball like an NFL QB right now
so what's your point with the ravens question? obviously you think manning would be a better option than flacco to win a super bowl too.
my point was that, not all the teams (including texans) want to risk losing their starting QB, for manning who right now is a very high risk. and if the ravens want to keep flacco, then why the texans want to trade their starting QB who is better than flacco. and I never said that the ravens have more chance with manning. for me the ravens have an old defense, the QB is average, and need more WRs but they were still one play from getting to the superbowl, so maybe its not that stupid.
when did i say that all teams want to risk losing their starting QB for manning? all i've said was that i think a healthy enough peyton manning gives us a better chance of winning the super bowl than a healthy enough matt schaub. and you've gone in so many circles with whatever point you are trying to make with the ravens spiel, that i give up. don't understand what you are trying to say.
Wha?... I have no idea what point you're desperately fishing for here, but nowhere do I say, or even imply - on the record - that Schaub is hurt worse than Manning. In fact, in the *very same post*, I very much go on the record and say, I mean, I could not have made it any easier for you. And you still mucked it up. Healthy, unhealthy, dead - there are almost no scenarios in which I'd swap Schaub for Manning. I'd certainly not swap a less injured, younger, cheaper, experienced Schaub for a broken-down, older, more expensive Manning. It's silly. As for the question you asked, no team, on any planet, ever, would swap the uncertainity of one injured player for the uncertainity of another injured player (unless they played different positions). Even less if the player you're getting back is more injured, older and more expensive. It is, as I said (on the record), a stupid question.
i know you wouldn't. that's because your entire take on the matter comes from extreme homerism. i really don't think you understand what you are implying with each post you make, because now in this one you are saying that the only thing that matters is who is younger and cheaper. in other words, both fully healthy, you don't think manning is any better than schaub, and the only thing that distinguishes one from the other is age and salary. no point in arguing any more really. you have proven yourself a little nutty.
I think you've fallen in love with an "idea" of Peyton Manning that has no basis in reality. When did Peyton Manning suddenly become a postseason sure thing? Do you realize, beyond his career playoff record (a pedestrian, if not terrible, given his and his teams' talent, 9-10), that of his 11 career appearences, he has been 1-and-done 7 times. SEVEN. In non-Super Bowl seasons (of which, there've only been two out of 11 tries), he's 4-9 in the playoffs. Dump his age and four neck surgeries on top of that, and I'm at a loss how he significantly upgrades what already projects to be an 11+-win team with Super Bowl-level talent. If he's an improvement, it is incremental at best.
once again, i understand that you think a healthy matt schaub is just as good as a healthy peyton manning. i'm not going to try to convince you that he isn't, and you aren't going to be able to convince me that he is. let's leave it at that.
If you want to have this argument in a vaccum devoid of any context, where systems, age, salaries and injuries don't matter, have at it. Here on planet Earth, you're recommending we jettison a perfectly capable QB, who is younger, cheaper and more experienced in our system and with our players, not to mention, recovering from a very specific injury with a finish line in sight for an older, more expensive QB who has never played in this system or with these players and has an injury that is currently preventing him from throwing the ball more than 25 yards and might very well be permanent. If we took the names out of this, there is NO way you would support this. None. Of course, generally speaking, Peyton Manning is a better QB than Matt Schaub. But this isn't a general discussion. There are a lot of factors to consider. And I think in either your undying affection for Manning or your unending dislike of Schaub, you've dismissed all of them and created a Peyton Manning that doesn't exist. He old; he's expensive; and he has an uphill recovery from a very serious injury ahead of him. Until you accept this, you're going to be met - not with homerism but common sense at every turn of this debate.
lol. sorry, 2 posts ago you said that health didn't matter. you just keep contradicting yourself. that's ok. make more snarky comments and insults. they strengthen all of your points.
dude, he didn't say it. you said he said it. he just made a post that pointed out Manning was older and more expensive. as you have taken out of context what he (and others have said), he responded: Look, I do think a healthy Manning would be better than a healthy Schaub. I have absolutely no trust in Schaub staying healthy anyway, and even if he does, have no idea what to expect from him in playoffs. But don't take other people's points out of context. And don't reply to mine by misinterpreting what I'm saying.
Originally Posted by Hey Now! Healthy, unhealthy, dead - there are almost no scenarios in which I'd swap Schaub for Manning. I'd certainly not swap a less injured, younger, cheaper, experienced Schaub for a broken-down, older, more expensive Manning. It's silly. there's nothing out of context about that. he's just scrambling and forgetting what he said from post to post. you don't have to apologize though.
That wasn't snark - it was a legitimate inviation to have an discussion that no one else is interested in having. You keep wanting to debate the merits of 2009 Peyton Manning. Problem is: that Peyton Manning no longer exists. Further, the 2009 Manning you keep bringing up, the one that makes an 11-win team better and a more legitimate Super Bowl contender - he doesn't really exist, either. Even healthy, he's been, mostly, an abject postseason failure; an 11-12-win regular season QB who has routinely come up short in January. Generally speaking, I would never trade for an older "upgrade" unless the upgrade was just off the charts so much better that it's a no-brainer. There've been various "Wouldya" debates in these forums and I've always, when results were favorable, consistently sided with the younger player. I advocated trading Schaub for Cutler several years ago; I would trade AJ for Megatron, etc., etc. I think Schaub is an upper echelon QB and more than capable of winning 11+ games and a SB. He's not as good as Peyton - but he's good enough. Therefore, independently: I would be very hesitant to trade 5 years for what I think would be very similar results; I would be very hesitant to trade a known injury with an end date in sight for an uknown injury with no end date in sight; I would be very hesitant to trade five years in a very specific system built around a player's strengths for a guy that's been more or less running his own system since 1998; I would be very hesitant to trade a locked salary for an unknown salary that could be significantly more in an offseason where we have MUCH bigger priorities than QB. All of that is 1:1. Add it all up and there's *no way* I'm trading Schaub for Manning. None. You seem incapable or unwilling to consider any of these factors. "Yeah but... Let me move the target"... You also seem very much at ease with just making stuff up that I never said. I've thus far "gone on record admitting that, at minimum, (I) think schaub injury may be even worse than peyton's" and apparently said, "a healthy matt schaub is just as good as a healthy peyton manning" even though I've literally posted the exact opposite. So, like I said - head to your vaccum and have at it. If you'd like to actually engage on the concerns being raised, let me know.
Yes, cardpire - because there are additional factors to consider: age, salary, experience (in this system and with these players), past postseason results. So go run to your vaccum and pretend health is the ONLY concern I've mentioned here.
i'm done beating a dead horse. manning's postseason "failures" is an insane argument considering schaub has never taken a team to a single postseason game. there's no way that i can make you understand that if you don't already. thinking peyton f'ing manning is incapable of learning and flourishing in an offense that jake delhomme was able to learn and perform well in after being on the team for under 2 weeks is also crazy. once again, as i've said about 10 times in this forum. i like schaub. it is entirely possible, and i'm hopeful, that he can win a super bowl. one of the 3 greatest qbs in the history of the nfl is about to become a free agent. they have one shot at this. one crazy, unprecedented shot where somebody of his caliber is out there for the taking. if he is healthy enough to play, i would rather bet on him than matt schaub. i'm not greedy. i want 1 super bowl, and i think he would unquestionably give us a better shot of at least that. everything after that would be gravy. i don't care about age. i care about the next 3 years, making both of their ages completely irrelevant to the discussion.
Not if you're going to contend - over and over and over - that Manning "unquestionably give us a better shot of at least (1 super bowl)." And now it’s your turn to answer a simple question, show us how it's done: the Manning-led Texans are more legitimate SB contenders based on what, cardpire? A fully healthy, in his prime Manning, with oodles of talent, won 1 Super Bowl in 11 postseason appearances with the Colts - what has you so convinced that an older Manning, recovering from an injury that cost him an entire season, is a lock to walk in and win one here? Further, a large number of us believe, had he stayed healthy, that the Schaub-led Texans would have won 11-12 games and had a much better shot of beating Baltimore. The burden is on you to prove Manning would accomplish more. So that he didn't reach the championship round 8 of 11 postseasons in Indianapolis is most assuredly sane. This would be the third item you've literally made something up. I never said Peyton couldn't learn and/or flourish in the system; what I DID say was that Schaub has 5 years on him in the system, as well as five years with most of the key offensive weapons. That's not insignificant. We also don't know when (if) Manning's offseason will even start. These are vital factors. And back to the vacuum you run! Peyton Manning is no longer THAT Peyton Manning. Yes, Peyton Manning *was* an all-time great QB; possibly THE greatest. In 2010. He's not right now. And may never be again. The fact that you have a sentence that contains the line, “if he is healthy enough to play” should set off all sorts of very loud, annoying alarms. Too bad you're apprently deaf; this seems patently obvious to the rest of us. Some of us are greedy and are absolutely concerned about a fairly significant age difference, not to mention an even more significant injury. The Texans' core is young enough to assume they could win multiple SBs; why would you give that up for a roll-the-dice, potential one-and-done chance with Manning?
have always wondered: when you and others post things like this, that are copied from somebody else and a joke that somebody else came up with, do you think that makes you a funny guy? because clearly they are posted with the purpose of hopping on the other posters bandwagons and gaining their favor and making them think YOU are funny. is getting a laugh by copying other people and using their creativity really that rewarding and satisfying for you? "Man! did you see that enormous picture that FLASH21 posted with the clever caption under it that he PWND cardpire with?? Daaaamn FLASH21 is one hilarious dude!" that's the kind of reaction that will really make your day, right?
No, he just posted it because it represents what he's thinking. What we're all thinking at this point. Pretty simple, actually.
