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Arab spring continued: Tunisia arrests 3 journalists in morality dispute

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  1. Northside Storm

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    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/BjGpcEA-FyE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
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  2. NMS is the Best

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    AroundTheWorld complaining about people being biased....the irony....

    :grin:
     
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  3. Rocket River

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    I think that is more accurate

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  4. Rocket River

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    Honestly . . . it comes down to Levels.
    If someone posted a picture of a naked woman on the front page
    of an American News Stand . . .he takes it down . or he goes to jail
    PERIOD

    The only difference here is. . . Nude versus Semi-Nude
    Both are censorship to a degree.

    Why is one ok and the other not??
    Because *WE* are ok with Semi-Nude but not ok with Nude
    on the open market without covers.
    Basically .. this story is *OUR* invasion of *OUR* morality on this situation
    and hope to have it overrule THEIR Morality on the issue

    IMO

    I guess we would not Arrest the Publisher [CAUSE HEAVEN FORBID A COMPANY OR CORPORATION BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE] . . . no . . we pass the responsibility on to the Retailer to cover it up . . .and leave the Coporationasaperson alone.


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  5. HorryForThree

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    I dont understand why stories like this are even remotely surprising.

    I find the discourse concerning the Arab Spring highly naive...it's as if people expected the following course of events: overthrow dictator, quickly agree on new constitution (which obviously appeases everyone involved), hold elections (without the slightest hint of corruption), appoint new representatives, and take off without a single hitch.

    Highly recommend the following article.

     
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  6. Major

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  7. Mathloom

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    So a country that just underwent a revolution hasn't mastered secularism yet. Massive story. :rolleyes:

    The transitional president and government is 100% committed to secularism and the entire country is in transition mode. This thread is the equivalent of kicking someone while they're down.
     
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  8. AroundTheWorld

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    More Arab spring:

    http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/02/19/195605.html

    Libyan anchorwoman, Halah al-Misrati, found dead in her jail cell

    Libyan State TV anchorwoman, Halah al-Misrati, was found dead in her jail cell in the Libyan capital on Friday, according to Al Arabiya’s correspondent in Tripoli.

    The National Transitional Council has not yet commented on the news.

    However, media sources loyal to former leader Muammar Qaddafi have confirmed her death in her cell.

    Misrati is remembered as a staunch loyalist to Qaddafi and for her verbal assault on anti-Qaddafi fighters during the uprising last year.

    She will also be remembered for her strange antics on TV, including brandishing a handgun in the air as she warned rebels of trying to oust Qaddafi.

    Misrati is also most famous for the “fatwa” she issued on air concerning the United Nations Security Council condemnation of Qaddafi’s violent suppression of the protests.

    Footage of her arrest by revolutionaries in Tripoli became highly popular across the internet on August 24 last year. A group of Libyan youth even created a page on the social networking website Facebook calling for the trial of Mesrati for high treason and slander as well as issuing false religious edicts and using her job to attack the revolutionaries in the media.

    Her last video appearance on Dec 30, 2011 also sparked a furious debate of whether her tongue was cut off or she was on strike.
     
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  9. Rocket River

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    Didn't think you cared much for Qaddafi and his Loyalist.
    Is removing the loyalist part of the revolution?
    Benedict Arnold could not have expected to chill after the revolution either .

    I'm no extremist apologist but I do like to think of the perspective of
    WHAT WOULD WE DO IN THAT SITUATION?
    We still use the name Benedict Arnold to mean traitor for goodness sake.
    When you back the losing side . . . .the afterwar is very uncomfortable.

    Rocket River
     
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  10. AroundTheWorld

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    I would certainly not torture and murder prisoners.

    Here is a more in-depth article about how Libya has not changed for the better.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/55f01408-5885-11e1-9f28-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1mpO0FuD8

    ...On January 19 one militia unit, called the Ten Martyrs Brigade, summoned a career diplomat named Omar Brebesh for a chat. By his family’s account, Mr Brebesh, 62, who served briefly as Libya’s envoy to France, was reluctant to go but figured he had nothing to hide. His son Mohammad drove him to the base and was told to collect him later that evening. When Mohammad returned, he was angrily told to come back the next morning. The family’s worries grew when they were told that day that Mr Brebesh had been taken overnight to the mountain city of Zintan, where the commander of the unit was from.
    Mr Brebesh’s broken body was ultimately found at Zintan’s hospital, says Human Rights Watch, the New York-based NGO that first reported the case. The body had severe head trauma, bruises and fractured ribs. His nails had been pulled out....
     
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  11. glynch

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    ATW talking about bias in a Muslim thread:)

    I believe Freud would call it projection.

    Try to be understanding wrt to ATW. Many less enlightened Germans are having a hard time because some Muslim folks from Turkey immigrated there. From an American perspective he seems so hopelessly intolerant.

    However, Germany has made progress and is still making more progress from their Nazi past, in accepting non Arryan, non Christian folks and cultures, so they should be given some slack.

    The Germans and the Tunisians are both making progress.
     
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    You have taken your seemingly very limited knowledge of Germany and have stereotyped ATW based on that very limited knowledge. Shame on you. Has ATW not traveled the world and been exposed to other cultures? I'd venture to guess that he's seen a hell of a lot more than you have. For you to try to type-cast him is shameful.
     
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  13. Northside Storm

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    ATW calling someone else biased.
    bigtexxx "shaming" someone for type-casting.

    thread has officially reached cloud nine.
     
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  14. Zboy

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    Brilliant, isnt it? :grin:
     
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  15. AroundTheWorld

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    It is "hopelessly intolerant" to be against torture and murder of prisoners? :confused:
     
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  16. Rocket River

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    I don't know you
    but
    I would not have suspected you would be PRO-Torture
    Seriously. . I would not put that on anyone

    but
    I am not surprised someone who was considered a 'TRAITOR'
    was treated so . . .
    I don't think we treat 'TRAITORS' with kid gloves.
    I think more of the CARD MEMBERS from IRAQ
    were killed than captured.

    TRAITORs , real or imagined, are rarely treated well

    Rocket River
     
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  17. AroundTheWorld

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    So you think it's ok? :confused:

    Sorry, but I am not sure I understand what you are trying to say.
     
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  18. Rocket River

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    What I am saying is we as Americans
    cannot sit and act like we are beyond this
    and superior

    We do the same thing .. . maybe not to that extreme
    but not far from it.

    We need to be careful to not be hypocrits about this.
    It sounds terrible and them nor us should do it
    but
    let's not act like it wouldn't happen here . . . or at least not something
    similar . . . maybe just not as extreme

    Rocket River
     
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  19. AroundTheWorld

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    I don't think that American authorities torture and murder prisoners. You do not do the same thing.
     
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  20. Northside Storm

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    Justice Kennedy and the Supreme Court beg to differ. Mind you, these are just regular prisoners in the largest (per capita) prison state in the world.

    What do Americans do to traitors?

    Well, when they're in prison, they try to execute them, but in the meanwhile, you hand them appalling conditions that qualify enough for 250 legal scholars to consider it on par with torture.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/10/bradley-manning-legal-scholars-letter

    Or you don't bother with prisons and all, and you just execute them without due process. That includes, by the way, being affiliated with a traitor---even if you're only 16.

    Now, the Libyan act is disgraceful, and an affront to human rights everywhere, and a significant step back. But, jesus, even the developed countries don't have a knack for treating prisoners right, and they've been at it for centuries now. I am not willing to concede to your point that just because there have been some negative developments in countries historically known for terrible affronts to human rights, it means the Arab Spring should have some overriding negative connotation to it. Democracy and revolution are both difficult concepts. The same straws you are grasping at in order to justify your bias against Islamist parties are the same ones being grasped by Putin in Russia, and the CCP in China, and I will never concede to that point of view.
     
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