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Gone Rocket Gone - Twill and Jonny

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by daywalker02, Feb 19, 2012.

  1. jaxwithanx

    jaxwithanx Member

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    If, and that is a big if, T-Will goes somewhere else next year and gets a chance to play and is successful I think it will finally take me off the Morey train. I've stayed by him through the "Great Asset Collection" and his extremely pragmatic way of making roster decisions. But at the end of the day, whether you have been blackballed or not, if the assets don't become something soon and T-Will finds success elsewhere, I'm done with him as a GM.

    It's not that I'm not forgiving of a mistake, but you don't trade away first rounders for projects and then pile a **** ton of players at the same position on top. It was a stupid move then and if he actually proves to be worth something then that is all on him at the end of the day.

    And the Lin thing is embarrassing too, I don't care what anyone says.
     
  2. DreamShook

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    So the coaches have nothing to do with it?
     
  3. daywalker02

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    Don't get me wrong if I say he is not the hardest worker. I mean he surely worked hard in order to get into this league obviously.

    Call me crazy y'all but I really think Morey had envisioned Twill to become a star instantly but he found out quickly that Twill is not the kind of worker, and he just loves to party around more sometimes.

    They dealt for Courtney first, so why else would they bring in Terrence 3 months later?
    Terrence had more upside than Courtney, but he was more freeballing and not listening to coaches.... He is not that coachable.
     
  4. daywalker02

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    Lin is a hard worker, humble
    Twill not so much, whoopp
     
  5. oogie boogie

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    Dude, I remember when the lockout ended and players could finally come back and practice, Terrence was one of the first to come and one of the last to leave. Terrence was ecstatic to play. I dont know where all that went, but I know it was definitely after it was made clear someone in the rckets organization doesn't want him.
     
  6. daywalker02

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    No dude I caught that news as well. I thought something was going to be wrong. Because why else in the world can't he just score the ball more, or get a consistent jumper instead of wanting to create for others all the time.
    I think he worked on the things which are just not conducive to teamplay or winning. He worked on the wrong things! I assume.
    Remember the time when everyone started to blame Tracy? Actually he worked with the wrong coach Wayne Hall instead of going to see Grover first.


    Maybe it's just the whole point forward thinking messing with his head.
    Maybe maybe. You know I always say there has to be a reason.
    Especially with our group with only real late first rounders and second rounders as starters, head cases and not hard workers are singled out.
    Our roster is crying for more talent, and he has it.
    So there has to be reason why.
     
  7. daywalker02

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    Precisely. No idiots are sitting in the Front office.
     
  8. JeffB

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    There is so much that goes into a guy flourishing. I think it ultimately falls on the coach because a player needs the right mix of playing time and floor duties in order to perform well. A coach can give a guy too little time or over-use playing time as punishment. A coach can also make the mistake of asking a player to play a role he is ill suited for. Much of that was going on with Lin.

    I keep thinking that Lin was about to get cut. He did not "beat out" another player or "earn" his time over someone else. It was given to him out of desperation just days before the coach was to decide to cut Lin. Between the time awarded and the way D'Antoni allows his point guards to play their game, Lin had the perfect opportunity to shine. To Lin's credit, he let it all hang out.

    I hope Williams gets his shot wherever. I wish ill on no player. For now I am hoping Morris gets his this season with this team. I imagine it burns that dude inside to see his brother adjusting to the NBA while Morris DLs it. Wasn't McHale himself the one who said the best way to improve in the NBA is experience?
     
  9. Nook

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    TWill at worst cost the Rockets a mid-first round pick. They traded for him because of his obvious talent. However it has not worked out. He couldn't beat out Chase, Lee or Parsons for minutes. He ultimately couldn't get minutes in NJ, with "hall of fame" coach Adelman and now with McHale, that is on TWill and no one else.
    As for Jeremy Lin, I guess every team should be embarrassed then as every team in the NBA passed on him in the draft at least once, a large number of teams worked him out and passed, every team had an opportunity to trade for him prior to GS releasing him and prior to Houston releasing him. I guess Dallas should be ashamed too, they had him in their summer league before releasing him.
     
  10. dd89

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    this guy does not play team ball that is why he is not in the rotation, end of story. He hasn't earned his minutes, forget about him he will amount to absolutely nothing. You can't change his attitude, just like you can't change Hill and Thabeet's IQ's.
     
  11. daywalker02

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    always know in hindsight
     
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    I hate to say it but T-Will is just not professional enough for the NBA. He just doesn't know when to shut up.
     
  13. JeffB

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    I wonder how much of Scola's "shut the **** up and play!" was for the chatterbox Williams. Scola did say he made the comments in part due to too much talking during practice that was breaking team concentration.
     
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    Some of that had to be aimed at Lowry/Martin and their bickering that you might see every now and then, too.
     
  15. TheRealist137

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    Play Williams. He is the only guy other than Lowry on our team who can attack the basket. He is tough and is not soft. He plays with confidence and that is what you want. Give him minutes during a game, not in practice. Practice is totally different from game, some guys just bring it way harder during a game and can't get up for practice.

    I imagine Williams will get a shot next year and some team will be happy they gave it to him.
     
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    Lee and Dragic can't attack? Don't get it twisted, they aren't like T-Will in that regardless, but they can attack.
     
  17. Nook

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    Pretty obvious TWill doesn't fit in on Rockets under McHale, just like he didn't under Adelman and Avery Johnson. Either Morey doesn't tell his coaches whom to play or the reason to not play TWill is so strong that Morey cannot argue.

    Regardless, based on his lack of ANY minutes and his tweets, it is obvious he won't be a Rocket come March 16th. He will be dealt or released. He strikes me as a guy that may go and put up numbers else where, but won't help his team ala Ricky Davis.
     
  18. JeffB

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    I can see that. When he is gone, I imagine word will leak as to the very strong reasons Williams is pinned to the bench.
     
  19. daywalker02

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    Davis got consistent 10 to 12 minutes in his first three years.
     
  20. Corpusfan

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    I'm as disappointed as anyone in not getting to see what Williams could do if given some playing time. He's understandably frustrated. But his comments seem to show that his attitude might be one reason why he's not getting his chance. He sounds like a surly, whiny teenager who lacks the self-control or wisdom to at least say the right things and demonstrate a better attitude. Flynn's comments, in contrast, sound much more mature. He's just waiting patiently for his opportunity and intends to make the most of it.
     
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