1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Obama responsible for bringing $5 per gallon gasoline

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bigtexxx, Feb 15, 2012.

  1. SamFisher

    SamFisher Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2003
    Messages:
    61,866
    Likes Received:
    41,395
    This will hit home amongst troubadours and other performing arts professionals.
     
  2. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    26,980
    Likes Received:
    2,365
    I cannot believe I'm wasting my precious time educating you. You are cherry picking statistics that do not show the full story.

    M2 has NOT increased in proportion to the increase in the monetary base (M0) -- please show me THAT graph. TIA. People are having to deleverage and reduce their debt load....but in the end the increase in the monetary base will feed into M2.

    Look at what's happened to the national debt under Obama....disgraceful

    National debt has increased $4 trillion under Obama: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/01/the_systemic_poison_of_us_debt.html
     
  3. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    26,980
    Likes Received:
    2,365
    *bigtexxx waving finger pistols*
     
  4. Northside Storm

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2007
    Messages:
    11,262
    Likes Received:
    450
    What is your policy prescription, texxxx? I'm curious, if only because I think we'll get hilarity.

    If it turns out you're an Austrian, I'll get the laughtracks playing.
     
  5. jEXCLUSIVE

    jEXCLUSIVE Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2009
    Messages:
    351
    Likes Received:
    24
    When trying too hard goes wrong...

    [​IMG]
     
  6. Kyrodis

    Kyrodis Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2002
    Messages:
    1,336
    Likes Received:
    22
    Oh for crying out loud...I'm not cherry-picking statistics. Before you "educate" me, you might want to educate yourself first using an economics textbook that's less than 50 years old.

    There's a reason why no economists ever use the monetary base (which incidentally is 'MB' not 'M0') to look at inflation and use M2 instead: MB includes bank reserves.

    QE dumped trillions of dollars into bank reserves because the Fed thought it would spur lending. At the moment, none of it is getting into the economy because no households want to borrow. It's akin to throwing trillions of dollars into a dark hole that nobody can find. Even after the household sector deleverages, the increase in MB won't create a spike in M2 either. You're running off the obsolete money multiplier theory. Banks aren't going to see excess reserves in their account with the Fed and decide, "Oh what the hell...we'll just throw more money at anyone who walks by."

    Banks don't lend reserves, nor are they truly reserve-constrained. It's a relic of the gold standard that ended in 1971. These days, they're capital-constrained based on their finances via the Basel Accords. Banks always lend first based on how much capital they have and the credit-worthiness of the customer. They sort out how much reserves they need to maintain the correct fractional-reserve banking requirements later via interbank federal funds market or the discount window.
     
    1 person likes this.
  7. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2007
    Messages:
    39,206
    Likes Received:
    20,350
    Bigtexx wins again!

    You fools don't get it. He is just getting a raise out of you. Look at his responses to your points. They are nonsensical. He doesn't care! He's messing with yall!
     
  8. Northside Storm

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2007
    Messages:
    11,262
    Likes Received:
    450
    I like the description.

    Gets me back to a discussion I had on whether reserve requirements in America are obsolete. In Canada, the country has effectively no reserve ratio required. The only constraint is that you cannot as a bank have no reserves for a certain time period (I think 2-3 business days), but that just makes plain old business sense---what bank wants to be stuck telling clients "sorry, we don't have any cash for you?".

    With the implementation of the FDIC and the Fed as a lender of last resort, the conventional "terror" of the antiquated 20s-30s "run on banks" may be no more than a phantom menace. It's just interesting to see America, which has possibly the most cowboy banking sector and rules in the world, hold on to that one antiquated rule, one that really doesn't serve that much of a purpose.
     
  9. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2002
    Messages:
    43,790
    Likes Received:
    3,708
    serious post in texxx thread


    Oil is fifty bucks less than when gasoline went to $4.50 a gallon

    we have a glut of oil

    gasoline is expensive because of usage around the world even though we have more than we did in summer 08 at the the height of prices

    refining usage, meaning the percentage of usage out of a 100% is at historical lows in the US

    fuel economic cars have really help boost supply by not using much gasoline.

    bottom line, the price is overpriced and it has nothing to do with Obama

    Natural gas is less than 10% of price when oil and gas were at historical highs
     
  10. Kyrodis

    Kyrodis Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2002
    Messages:
    1,336
    Likes Received:
    22
    texx isn't getting under my skin. I like the way he adroitly steered the conversaton away from "Obama causes inflation!" to a discussion as to whether additional bank reserves has any effect on inflation at all.

    Regardless of whether you think excess reserves will eventually cause M2 to increase exponentially, it clearly hasn't happened yet. Even texx agrees with me there...
    Since it hasn't happened yet, then it's clear that inflation (and any Obama administration policies) did not cause the current spike in gas prices. He's basically already refuted his own point.
     
    1 person likes this.
  11. JuanValdez

    JuanValdez Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 1999
    Messages:
    35,060
    Likes Received:
    15,236
    Sure, but I'm seriously learning something worthwhile from Kyrodis, pgabriel, et al. Troll threads are still worthwhile because you get intelligent answers to stupid questions.
     
  12. KingCheetah

    KingCheetah Atomic Playboy
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2002
    Messages:
    59,079
    Likes Received:
    52,748
    Bigtexxx you've been boring for months now...


    TRY HARDER
     
  13. ChievousFTFace

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2010
    Messages:
    2,797
    Likes Received:
    567
    For someone who claims to be so conservative... you really don't understand how oil/commodity prices work do you?

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
  14. da_juice

    da_juice Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2009
    Messages:
    9,315
    Likes Received:
    1,070
    I thought we didn't get oil from Libya under Gaddafi.
     
  15. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2002
    Messages:
    35,986
    Likes Received:
    36,840
    Options:
    (1) bigtexxx signed a new contract with GOP, paid per thread started (like basso), in order to afford his 1-bedroom river oaks 650 sq ft apartment.
    (2) bigtexxx is an Obama supporter
    (3) bigtexxx has a serious and accelerating brain disorder.

    I am hoping it's #1. If it's #2, he needs to be less obvious. If it's #3... God bless, brah. We're pulling for you.
     
  16. ChievousFTFace

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2010
    Messages:
    2,797
    Likes Received:
    567
    Instability is instability. Markets react to change and speculation.
     
  17. da_juice

    da_juice Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2009
    Messages:
    9,315
    Likes Received:
    1,070
    Any possibility of us receiving oil from Libya or maybe Syria in the near future?
     
  18. KingCheetah

    KingCheetah Atomic Playboy
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2002
    Messages:
    59,079
    Likes Received:
    52,748
    [​IMG]
     
  19. GladiatoRowdy

    GladiatoRowdy Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2002
    Messages:
    16,596
    Likes Received:
    496
    Says the KING of statistical cherry pickers.

    For God's sake, the statistic YOU threw out there ($5 gasoline) isn't even remotely close to true AND wouldn't have been caused by Obama at all.

    Your ignorance, hypocrisy, and intellectual dishonesty are hilarious.
     
    #39 GladiatoRowdy, Feb 16, 2012
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2012
  20. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    26,980
    Likes Received:
    2,365
    "Wasn't caused by Obama at all?"

    Surely you jest

    King Urkel's hard at work devising cowardly alternatives to fiscal discipline

    The losers: the POOR
     

Share This Page