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Jeremy Lin

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by jbasket, Feb 8, 2012.

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  1. Spooner

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    I'm confused. Perhaps I am misunderstanding you. What you are saying is that Lin's turnovers actually are lower than Rubio's are because his Usage Rate is almost double, giving him a much larger margin of error. Assuming Usage Rate indicates how much the ball goes through a player, this would be true.

    Unfortunately that isn't how Usage Rate is calculated. It is more based on what you do with the ball in your hands. Assists are not part of the equation though.

    Given the fact that Rubio shoots on average somewhere around 10 shots per game compared to the the 20 shots Lin is getting, this already explains a portion the higher usage rate. If you factor in the very large weight that turnovers have in the overall Usage Rate of a player, I'm curious as to how you can use the stat in his favor, when it is actually clearly against him. Saying that Lin turns the ball over less relative to his higher Usage Rate, doesn't make sense. The two work together.

    Again, unless I am misunderstanding you, you are not reading the Usage Rate stat correctly. Jeremy Lin gets double the amount of shots and turns the ball over way more than Rubio. That is why his Usage Rate is higher.

    Not a Lin bashing post. I am just pointing out how Usage Rate actually works.
     
  2. Easy

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    If you believe Lin is Flip Murray 2.0, then come back and say, "I told you so" if he turns out to be no more than a scrub. For now, there is no objective facts to deny his unreal performance other than "it's against crappy teams (oh, and the Lakers were tired)" when you have not seen how he can play against good teams. And there's no need to crap on people who are enjoying the story (which you said it's nothing wrong.)
     
  3. cuddie

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    You do realize a lot of this has never been done before, right? First American player of Chinese/Taiwanese descent, first NBA player to average 20 and 7, scoring the most points by any player since the merger in his first 4 starts. The first Ivy League player in the league since Chris Dudley in 2003, the first Harvard player since Ed Smith in 1954. Goes from undrafted and cut by two teams to leading his team on a six game winning streak while putting up 27 and 8.

    Even if you ignore that he's Asian, what he's doing is amazing and that's why there's hype.
     
  4. Spooner

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    Kind of like Arian Foster, who was the NFL's rushing leader for a full season after going undrafted. Oh wait, he never got nearly this much hype....
     
  5. krnxsnoopy

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    Did Arian Foster get a football scholarship at Tennessee?

    It's quite amazing a kid who couldn't get a D1 scholarship is playing in the NBA, let alone leading his team to 6 straight wins average 27 pts 7 assists.
     
  6. Spooner

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    That is a good point.
     
  7. Luckkky

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    I think the rockets are 1 Lin away from take it all..
     
  8. Carl Herrera

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    Low picks and unheralded prospects turn into stars in the NFL quite often. See Terrell Davis, Tom Brady, etc. This happens much more rarely in the NBA.
     
  9. bobmarley

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    Tom Brady went to Michigan
    Terrell Davis played most of his college career at Georgia

    Jeremy Lin played at Harvard, not exactly the big 10 or SEC
     
  10. sew

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    smells like hate
     
  11. Icehouse

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    When did I say he was Flip Murray 2.0? I said we have seen this story before, of someone coming out of nowhere and getting off to a uber beginning once he got a chance to start. The only difference between him and what Flip did in 2003 is that he plays for the Knicks and isn't black. It doesn't mean he sucks but it does mean the situation is making the story bigger than it is. No, Lin is not as good as he is playing right now. He's not 20/10/50% good. He's on a hot streak, which coincides perfectly with a soft schedule and his coaches system. If saying I'm not going ga-ga or we have seen this before is crapping on him then I guess I'll need a lot of toilet paper.
     
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    so now Tim Legler is the source of Truth?
    hmm Jerry West was on Dan Patrick this morning and said Lin is the real deal and just flat out wins!!!
    Magic also giving props and CP3 tweeted mad respect to Jlin for hitting the game winner.

    West >>>>>>Legler
    Magic >>>>>>Legler
    CP3 >>>>>>>Legler
     
  13. Yonkers

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    If Arian had put up 6 straight 100 yard games for a flailing New York Giants team, I think he would have had as much hype. Does him being Asian play a factor? Sure. But his numbers are amazing nonetheless.
     
  14. Icehouse

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    Yes, but not the first player of Chinese descent. I mean, we did have one play for us for a few years. But I didn't realize adding the fact that he's "American" made it historic.


    Are we really giving things a "historic" designation when the sample size is 6 games? That's a perfect example of hype. In Flip's first 5 starts he dropped 25/5/5 on 51% shooting. Now how silly would I sound saying he was historic because he was the 1st player to drop those numbers in his first 5 starts (assuming he is the only one to do so)?

    So is Mario Elie historic because he came from American International? Was Rodman historic because he came from Southeastern Oklahoma State University? More hype examples!!!

    Sounds kinda like Flip Murray. However, he was a 2nd round pick. How many times was Avery Johnson cut? He was undrafted and when is the last time a NBA player came out of Southern? A guy on the brink of being out the league balling when he finally get's a shot is not historic. Remember former Rockets like Mario Elie and Chuck Hayes?

    You haven't listed one thing that I haven't seen before. The only difference is it's in NY (what most of the hype is based around) and the player isn't black or white.
     
  15. Icehouse

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    Or kinda like that Kurt Warner guy, who went to Northern Iowa, went undrafted, was a grocery clerk, played Arena ball and led his team to a Super Bowl title in his 1st season as a NFL starter...while winning the league MVP and the SB MVP?
     
  16. Icehouse

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    This is true. I think being on the Knicks is the main driver. He is playing very well.
     
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    Honestly, this is just a ridiculously good story which is EXACTLY what the NBA needs.
     
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    Exactly. At this point, it's like the lockout never happened at all.
     
  19. RedRedemption

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    Being on the Knicks is a factor, but its not a main driver.
    Are you guys serious?
    Oh he's just getting attention because he's Asian.
    Oh he's just getting attention because he's on the Knicks.
    Oh he's just getting attention because he was undrafted... etc.

    Everyone is acting like this guy has no talent and just flat out sucks.
     
  20. Icehouse

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    Agreed.
     

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