even if this scenario were to go down as you have presented it. our jubilation would quickly turn to excessive drinking on draft day when Kubiak reaches for Tannehill at #6. That kid has battle fighting Aggie written all over him
in other words, you do not believe in intangibles whatsoever, correct? you just believe in being able to know everything you need to about every quarterback by looking at their passer rating?
Fair enough Cat, that is why I was asking what each person thought of Schaub going-forward. You answered it by saying he is capable of leading a team like ours to the Super Bowl. That is your opinion, and possibly the majority. Cardpire seems to disagree, which is his opinion. I was just wondering. I am probably leaning towards Cardpire's opinion currently, but I guess I was hoping to get enough positive responses for me to feel better about a realistic shot at the Super Bowl with Schaub as our qb. I think the Flacco comparison is good, but that doesn't necessarily make me feel much better about him. Flacco has produced just enough with a potent Ravens team, but if I was a Ravens fan I wouldn't be confident about his performance week in and week out, certainly not in a playoff-game atmosphere. Doesn't mean he can't play well and win, but I just wouldn't be overly confident.
I do believe in intangibles, but I believe those show up in regular season games just as much as postseason games. If the Texans can win big in the regular season with Schaub at QB - and they certainly were this year, prior to injury - I don't think there's any special quality that can't be seen until the playoffs.
There is no way Washington would part with the 6th pick to get Schaub. If they're going to trade that, they'd rather trade up and get RG3.
I'm not comparing Flacco to Schaub, by any stretch. Schaub's QB rating the past four seasons: 92.7, 98.6, 92.0, 96.8. He's in the top quarter of the league (top 8) in essentially every relevant passing statistic in that time frame. Flacco, meanwhile, has had just one season with a QB rating over 90, and regressed last year to an 80.9, the worst performance since his rookie year. He's not in the same league. Virtually any football fan with any brain would pick Schaub over Flacco, yet Flacco was a couple bad breaks (not related to him) from being the quarterback of a Super Bowl team. That's because of the caliber of the team around him, of course, but the Texans have very similar strengths in Houston. I was just using Flacco as an example to poke holes in the theory that you need a great quarterback to be a true contender.
I'm pretty sure that would cost them more than a Schaub trade would. Proven commodity > unproven commodity. Plus, you think the Shanny's have a hard-on for RG3 over Kubiak's golden boy? I'm guessing not.
I'm pretty sure this would be the only forum (other than the other Texans-centric ones) that would argue a rebuilding team would rather have Schaub than RG3.
Yeah, from a fan perspective, I'm sure RG3 is teh r0x0rs compared to Schaub. But it's Shannahan's 3rd year in Washington, coaching tenures average something like 4 years. Rebuilding my arse. Time to win. And I have no idea how you're able to just so flippantly dismiss the Kubiak/Schaub/Shannahan connection. Anybody who would assume they want RG3 over Schaub isn't looking very closely at this.
Not necessarily the case in the NFL. Draft picks are given incredible value. If Schaub had accomplished what he has accomplished and were 5 years younger, then maybe...but no way they're trading a #6 position overall for Schaub right now.
For Cutler, the Bears gave up quarterback Kyle Orton and first-round picks in 2009 (18th overall) and 2010, along with a third-round pick (84th overall) in 2009. For Palmer, the Raiders gave up 40,000 picks. For Schaub, proven in system, history with coaches, QB being the Redskins biggest need ..... " The Texans wont get **** for him if you believe otherwise you are Texans centric"! :grin:
Exactly. It's not necessarily an RG3 v. Schaub debate. It's if you're going to trade a top 6 pick, it won't be for a QB like Schaub.
I could see Dan Snyder vetoing it, yes. (not "laughingly", though) But I have to think that his coaching staff/management would be pushing hard to acquire Schaub if given the opportunity. I agree this isn't an RG3 vs. Schaub debate. It's a matter of timing and circumstance. I imagine we could pry the #6 overall from them for Schaub, but we wouldn't be getting much else in return. Trading for future picks most definitely has some traction to it.
I think #6 is stretching it, too. If Washington was a player or two away, sure - but then, if they were, they wouldn't be picking 6th overall. Teams that tend to trade for guys like Schaub, or Cutler, or Palmer, are 7-to-9 win teams. Those are the 1s you can likely pry; I don't think the Skins would give up a top 6 pick for Schaub. There would be a definite market for Schaub - but I would guess it's similiar to the market for Manning. Arizona would love Schaub; Tennessee, possibly Denver, the Jets - those type of teams. I don't think you'd get anything beyond a mid+-round 1 for him.
1. Cutler had just completed his 3rd season...had an 86 QB rating as a 25 year old...it was like a draft pick in terms of relative age. Schaub will be 31 when the season starts and is coming off an injury. I'm not saying he's without value...I'm saying it has to be relative to age, though, particularly when you're giving up high draft picks. 2. The Raiders are the Raiders. I have no doubt they'd give us Marcus Allen's career stats and their championship banner for a shot at Schaub.
I'm with the posters that think the Redskins won't trade the #6 for Schaub. I would take a 2012 #2 & #3, 2013 #2 (or #3) for Schaub IF we get Manning. You can't compare any trade with the Palmer to Oak trade because... well... they are morons.
