Didn't say you derailed this thread, said it was typical of you to do so, and it is. I'm sure we'll be reminded of that soon.
anyway, here's some derailing when i was in hs we were actually taught that oral sex and anal sex were okay between spoused as long as you pulled out and put in the vagina. pulling out and staying out is a sin. its very silly when you really dig into the church's objections to contraception
You don't have to dig very far to find the silliness. I'm glad you made it out of Catholic school unscathed though, I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
Thanks for taking the time to post such a long and well-thought out post, twhy77. Sorry. Not sympathetic. A moral code that virtually none of your own congregation follows should most definitely not be extended to those who are not members but happen to work at "affiliated" institutions. That's ridiculous. What if the pope decrees chemo is sinful next week? I also note that you avoided points 1 and 3 in my previous post that kick-started your legal research.
i've already upset one poster but i have to call this out also. catholics running around like they are in some special club (yeah i used to feel that way) is freakin hilarious to me. its like we feel like we belong to the true christian religion. they breed that. my dad is methodist and i never got that feeling attending church with him. but i digress, different subject.
I forgot to add this in my reply, but I concur, even though I wasn't as interested in the legal wranglings (obviously because I didn't respond to them), twhy never disappoints when it comes to how much effort and research his puts into his posts (even if I disagree with him), and I commend him for that.
Many many people have been messed up by the wierd sex doctrines of the Catholic Church, including the poor sob needlessly celibate priests who express their sexuality through deviancy or drunkeness etc. Having gone to Catholic school K though university and even a year of grad school I can honestly say virtually every priest who I liked dropped out to get married. I later saw one guy who was nice to me at the university (fortunately not that nice!!) was in the paper years later for molesting a young boy. TWhy is not your typical Catholic. He is an ultra orthodox Catholic and appears to be more or less a member of the Opus Dei.
you know i've mentioned the sex abuse scandal in derogatroy terms a few times in this thread but i do feel really sorry for the many priests who express their repression through alcholosim. its a situation no one outside the church really understands.
For this thread? 1) Telling insurance companies what to do is fail 2) The church getting in bed with the state is fail Sidenotes: I don't agree with the Church's moral reasons for opposing this bill and think they're quite silly* *I haven't gone into this all that much because it is a sidebar to the discussion of the legal and practical purpose/application of this law, but people typically want to know how/why someone feels what they feel. People have confused me for agreeing with the catholics on moral/religious freedom grounds, but I have to distinguish myself from them in that I agree with them on a more legal/regulatory basis instead.
Hey I was told by a psychology professor who use to go and treat them that at least at that time they had whole facilities where they treated many of them.
And you would be making a mistake. But as you imply, your agenda is to denigrate all that is religious. Scorched earth. I would not trade the first rate education and moral grounding that 12 years of catholic schools provided me. They taught me to be a free thinker enough to jettison the very beliefs they spent 12 years inculcating. Maybe I was lucky enough to grow up during the late 60's and 70's when the church and teachings were somewhat liberalized but I had a great time. You can trust that most kids make it out without getting buggered. You're a sharp guy, just remember, everything you think is bad, is not always as bad as you think it is.
Hey, overall I appreciate the education, too. It did ground one in basic moral thinking, beyond simplistic Bible reading, which does tend to make one not too happy with recent US elective wars and other moral abominations. It was serious education and I have great respect especially for many of the priests. As I said, almost all of them dropped out as mindless obedience is the only rationale for celibacy. Celibacy will change, but it will be difficult with the present ultra conservative hierarchy appointing reactionary cardinals to appoint the next pope,
Don't get me wrong, I'm not one to defend "R"eligion, but by the same token, religion and churches have done a lot of good things, too. I'm not going to condemn the church goer who lives his life right and treats others appropriately because of the crusades.
