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2012 GOP Presidential Primary

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rimrocker, Jan 27, 2011.

  1. ToyCen428

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    lol let's take our hats off to the girl scouts! You go girls!
     
  2. Major

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    Something tells me that, outside of the one sentence you read about it in a Ron Paul press release, you don't know a single detail about the girl scout event you're referring to: what it was, where it was, how it was impacted, or anything else. Am I correct?
     
  3. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Major, not to derail, but do you try to converse with your households pets?
     
  4. Major

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    I don't have pets, so I use this forum instead to get that experience!
     
  5. KingCheetah

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    What was that first thought like?
     
  6. B-Bob

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    "Ouch, mah hed!"
     
  7. Hightop

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    Was Maine Stolen From Ron Paul?

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/10837-was-maine-stolen-from-ron-paul

    The mass media have repeated the official results for the Maine GOP presidential caucuses that former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney narrowly beat Texas Congressman Ron Paul by a 39 percent to 36 percent margin. But the official results are incomplete. And postponement of the results from one of Ron Paul's strongest counties, Washington County, because of a forecasted snowstorm may alone have tipped the balance in Romney's favor.

    Ron Paul's campaign confidently predicted victory when the final votes are tallied. "Only 194 votes [statewide] stand between Paul and a first place victory," RonPaul 2012 blogger Jack Hunter pointed out in a post after the media declared Romney the winner. "Washington County is a stronghold for Paul and has yet to report. It might be a week before we know the final outcome there and Washington County is expected to yield 200 votes or more." Former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum placed third with 18 percent of the vote in the official Maine caucus, while former House Speaker Newt Gingrich placed fourth with six percent of the vote.

    Hunter's prediction is not just braggadocio. In south Washington County, Maine, Paul beat Romney by 132 votes in a February 7 Cottage Grove precinct-level caucus preceding the county "super-caucus" that was supposed to be held September 11 but will now be held February 18. Maine's South Washington County Bulletin reported February 8: "In District 57 ... Texas Congressman Ron Paul was the favorite among Republicans. Paul earned 237 votes in the non-binding poll, followed by Santorum’s 209 votes. Mitt Romney had 105 votes in the district, Newt Gingrich 61 votes." The February 7 south Washington precinct-level caucus results, which were not reflected in the official statewide total, were alone sufficient to offset two-thirds of the difference between Romney and Paul in the official statewide totals.

    The cancellation of the Washington County super-caucus alone among Maine caucuses scheduled for February 11 has led many Paul supporters to suspect electoral shenanigans by the Republican establishment to deny Paul a state victory. That Washington County would vote heavily in favor of Paul was well-known, and Paul was widely seen as the only credible threat to Romney.

    Maine state GOP Chairman Charlie Webster vowed that later caucuses would not be counted in the vote totals. "Some caucuses decided not to participate in this poll and will caucus after this announcement," Webster told the Associated Press February 11. "Their results will not be factored in. The absent votes will not be factored into this announcement after the fact."


    Washington County super-caucus was the only one to have been postponed because of an anticipated snowstorm. But while some media forecast six or more inches of snow, the Washington County forecast from the National Weather Service for February 11 was for a total of 3-5 inches of accumulation during the day, hardly out-of-the-ordinary for the Maine climate in February. Moreover, the Portland area was forecast to have almost as much snow, 1-3 inches, while nearby Hancock County had an identical forecast as Washington County. Yet caucuses were not cancelled in those areas.

    Ron Paul 2012 national campaign chairman Jesse Benton predicted victory when the delegate process is completed in a website statement. “We are confident that we will control the Maine delegation for the convention in August. Our campaign is so thankful to all of our supporters in Maine, and all over the nation, and we want them to know that we plan to take this message all the way to the White House.”

    Rep. Paul's campaign has stressed that the establishment is desperate to get Romney a couple of state wins after losing Minnesota, Colorado and Missouri to former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum earlier last week. "Maine is a state in Romney’s backyard that he should’ve been able to walk away with easily. That Mitt almost lost to Ron tonight–and that Mitt still may lose to Ron in the days to come–does not bode well for the establishment candidate," Ron Paul campaign blogger Jack Hunter argued as the caucus results emerged.

    Romney did win the CPAC presidential preference poll in Washington, D.C., this weekend with 38 percent of the vote. Other presidential candidates earned the following percent: Rick Santorum 31 percent, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich 15 percent and Ron Paul 12 percent. The CPAC poll carries no delegates toward the presidential race, but it measures a mixture of movement conservative opinion, campaign organization and energy in the campaigns. Ron Paul had won the CPAC poll the previous two years, but did not make an effort to bring his young supporters to the conference again this year.

    Romney announced in his Maine victory speech that "I am the only candidate in the race who has never served a day in our broken federal government. The voters of Maine have sent a clear message that it is past time to send an outsider to the White House, a conservative with a lifetime of experience in the private sector, who can uproot Washington's culture of taxing and spending and borrowing and endless bureaucracy." Of course, Romney helped to grow Massachusetts state spending and increase taxes and has been marinated in the tax-and-spend culture during his government service. As Governor of Massachusetts, Romney asked the state legislature for 88 "fees" to be increased in order to propose a balanced budget he was required by state law to submit. Many of these fees -- such as increases on firearms permit applications and automobile licenses -- were just tax increases disguised as "fee" increases.
     
  8. ToyCen428

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    Did you stop to think about how much these canceled caucuses could have "impacted"?
     
  9. ToyCen428

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    Ron on Face the Nation this morning:

    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/BzRi1L1W9rM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
  10. QdoubleA

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    No.
    I don't think you and toycen realize how you are hurting your own cause by being so ridiculously fanatic.
     
  11. Hightop

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    Romney wins in Maine, but questions linger
    February 11, 2012

    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/articles/2012/02/11/romney_wins_in_maine_but_questions_linger/

    PORTLAND, Maine—Mitt Romney got a narrow win in Maine's Republican caucuses, but Ron Paul's campaign thinks the results could have been different if Washington County had not postponed their caucuses because of the snow.

    Jesse Benton, national chairman for Ron Paul campaign, says he was disappointed the Washington County caucus was postponed to next week and thinks the Texas congressman could have picked up another 200 votes if they had been held Saturday.

    Benton also says Paul is in the race until someone wins enough delegates to win the nomination: 1,144.

    Washington County GOP Chairman Chris Gardner says that when the decision was made to postpone the caucuses, he didn't understand that the Washington County votes wouldn't count.

    Maine GOP Chair Charlie Webster stresses the caucus votes were an "unofficial, nonbinding poll."
     
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    I heard the CPAC straw poll was rigged this weekend to show a Romney win. You should look into it Hightop.
     
  14. Major

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    Yes - The whole Maine system is dumb, so I don't give it much value in the first place. And based on the numbers I see, Ron Paul wouldn't have won anyway. That county decided it was more important to allow people to participate than have a low turnout take away from proper delegate selection. Maybe the Girl Scouts did care about turn out in their event.

    Nice attempt to avoid the question - I take that to mean you, in fact, have no clue about anything related to the Girl Scout event and are just parroting what you read on Ron Paul forums. Besides, aren't you the one that's been saying it's all about delegates? This doesn't affect the delegate distribution, so why do you care?
     
  15. Hightop

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    It affected the headlines and perception. Ron Paul "winning" a state would have been pretty big news.
     
  16. ToyCen428

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    Great catch there Hightop

    Some other interesting articles from The New Americans website include

    "UN bosses secretly plot global govt through "green economy" for Rio+20"
    "I scream, you scream: San francisco red tape Nearly strangles small businesses"
    ""rosy" reports from Afghanistan false"


    Fantastic website my man.
     
  18. QdoubleA

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    My favorite- "Is it nuts to let Iran go nuclear?"
     
  19. ToyCen428

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    great job Hightop.... and I'm being serious. Since when did the D&D become immature?
     
  20. ToyCen428

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    To all the non-Ron Paul posters here... can you state which is the remaining GOP candidates you're for?
     

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