Obama Personally Approves Killings Of Americans Suspected Of Terrorism

Well, because he is bad
(Why?)
He is the worst president this country has ever seen!
(Why?)
He hates America!
(Why?)
Well, because he is bad!
Teabagger logic

 

impeached for the things we have been discussing in this thread (or some of have been discussing). violating the constitution and his oath of office. arresting and holding americans w/out charges, targeted assassination of american citizens and warrantless wiretapping, TSA grope-downs/naked body scanning and operation fast and furious.

all that being said, bush got away w/ everything he did so i dont think obama is too concerned about it. and the next president who comes along will not get in trouble when they continue to expand executive power and violate the constitution like bush and obama.

i agree.

2nd worst.

you might be right there...anyone who would usher in the kinds of gross violations of the 4th amendment and basic human dignity that we have seen in our airports w/ the TSA must really hate america and everything we stand for. anyone who thinks they have the authority to arrest and hold americans w/out charges must really hate america and our way of life.

again, i agree. obama has been very bad.

im not a "teabagger".

 

Can you imagine the crazies that would come out if Obama didn't enforce these things and there was another attack on America? You wanna see impeachment? You would surely see it if he did nothing and something happened. I am by no means dismissing the things Obama is now doing (no matter what rhad thinks). I find them just as aberrant, but I also understand the world we live in now. And I'd rather have Obama making those decisions rather than the alternative.

 

If you think he's a bad president, cool. Think he's the second worst in history? I think that's pushing it quite a bit but ok, still cool. Thinking that the president of these United States hates America and the American way of life is just plain dumb.

 

Honestly. He must have had some very traumatic experience when he was hopping the 6:15 to DFW or wherever. Hysteria over TSA scanners is otherwise quite disproportionate.

 

duplicate

 

I don't draw the line at "well, Obama is better than the alternative". You apparently do. I don't begrudge you for it, but it is sad IMO.

 

Pretty much. This is why nobody takes rtsy/Hightop/shovel/select seriously. He's a cherry picker with inconsistent values that hasn't had an original thought enter his brain in history. Unlike guys like rhad, who stick to their guns no matter who is in office.

Serious question time: who is there to elect other than Ron Paul who would stop this nonsense? Answer: nobody. So, we'll have to take care of it by electing a bunch of Congressmen, it seems.

 

Public pressure and outrage would show in the polls and if dems would actually threaten to vote against Obama he would change. He has changed on tons of issues, no reason to doubt he would change on this if politically motivated.

Who is the "rtsy/Hightop/shovel/select" originally?

 

Believe me, I struggle with it myself rhad.

 

It won't always be Obama making "those decisions."

The powers he takes now will be passed down and expanded upon. Each time an executive takes a little more of these "aberrant" powers it won't seem that much worse than the one before it. The problem is, America is too busy looking at the small steps and they don't see the whole road we've gone down.

To mock the profoundness of the line from Star Wars Episode Something, This is how liberty TRULY dies.

 

Link the ******* article then, you tool.

P.S. You still haven't actually formulated an argument, and it's rather obvious that you go out of your way to avoid any sort of clear declaration of your principles.

The reason for this is because you know you lack the rational mindframe needed to defend your ideals in a rational manner. What I'm saying here is that you, and your beliefs, are simply that - beliefs, with no thought behind them. It's the same as faith in a religion.

 

Fantastic! That's a great start, now ... do you have any response AT ALL to the other stuff I've said, or do you feel triumphant just because you actually posted a link to your source this time?

And my mouth makes mistakes sometimes... but your dumbass mouth just keeps screaming and screaming and screaming and never says ANYTHING.

Hightop/Shovelface - just answer this one question: Can you make rational arguments in favor of your beliefs, or are you really the idiotic piece of **** that everyone thinks you are?

That's the rest that you didn't respond to (because you're lazy and unintelligent? probably.).

So tell me - are you even capable of constructing a rational argument in favor of your positions?

 

Why should Obama be impeached for NDAA exactly? Shouldn't practically everyone in Congress be impeached? Where was this anger from some of you in 2001 when these provisions were actually originally enacted? He signed the bill, but jo momma and hightop and some of you act like he wrote the damn thing himself and pushed for it when the reality is he signed it because the f**ing military needed to be funded for 2012 and there weren't enough votes in congress to remove the provision.

 

Probably not.

I don't disagree with much of what Hightop posts (prior to his copy/paste schtick becoming so prevalent, I was posting these same sorts of articles). What I don't like is that he's not doing it honestly - it's not that he's actually upset at the policies, it more that they are handy weapons with which to attack Obama.

I know Obama is in a bad place (as Oski re-states above) but I would like to think that certain lines cannot be crossed regardless of political capital wasted or rancorous backlash from morons on the TV. Also, when you run your campaign with a certain set of either implied or explicitly stated standards and then backtrack on them, you deserve relentless critique for it. That objective complaint, however, takes a back seat to the implications of what this newly codified authority does to shred what's left of our democratic and liberal values.