Obama Personally Approves Killings Of Americans Suspected Of Terrorism

absolutely...in the context of the thread topic, but what does health care have to do w/ it? and it wasnt the OP who brought up ron paul, it was glynch and others. if people were actually discussing ron paul in the context of the thread topic that would be great as we could talk about how he better represents liberals/progressives on these issues...unfortunately that hasnt happened here.

what i find demeaning is when people dismiss me as a "paulite" because i am against the NDAA, assassinating american citizens and holding them w/out trial. since when did being against this stuff make me a "paulite"...i thought it made me an "american". when bush was president it made me an "troop-hating liberal", but now im just a "paulite".

remember when bush was president and people would point out egregious things he was doing and people like tradertexx would dismiss them by saying things like "HO HO HO, I DECLARE THIS THE LIBERAL OUTRAGE OF THE DAY!"

now look at some of the posts in here from the other "side" - rashmon in post #4 making jokes about drone strikes...b/c we all know how funny it is when innocent kids get killed by drones.

not really - obama supporters indeed have blood on their hands to the same extent bush supporters had blood on their hands and i dont remember people getting upset and derailing threads like this when it was said from 01-09.

absolutely - and in the context of this thread ron paul would be great as he would not allow assassinating american citizens, arresting and holding them w/out trial, ect. again, he does a much better job of representing liberal/progressive values than obama on this stuff.

imo, im actually carrying the torch and trying to stand up for issues that liberals/progressives/democrats have traditionally championed. and people dismiss me as just being a "paulite" for it? when bush was president, standing up for these issues made me a "liberal", but now that its obama im just a "paulite". my position has not changed - i hold the same beliefs in 2012 that i held in 2004 or 2007. it is those who treat politics like a team sport who have compromised their values, not me.

some posters require that i do. for example, ive said i dont totally agree w/ paul on deregulation and when i say that ive been told im "ignoring" the issue.

absolutely, and in the context of this thread the implication of a paul presidency would be a return to habeas corpus, a rejection of the NDAA and a return to the protections we have enjoyed under the bill of rights.

 

After Obama starts his second full scale war, then we can start comparing how much blood is on Obama's hands. At this stage, it's dishonest to compare the two.

I'm not condoning, just saying its not a good comparison.

 

I thought terrorists suspects deserved to be tortured and killed, or is that just when they are not American?

 

obama's doing what the american people want, he tried to try terrorists in normal criminal courts. new yorkers didn't want to, most of congress didn't.

not excusing, but its a more complicated issue

 

nobody tried to rub my balls since, and not even after some young nigerian almost took down a plane over detroit

 

Jo mama, now you see why I never got into a conversation with these Barry koolaid drinkers. You are correctly pointed out that your politics have always been the same and I disagree with your view, but at least you are consistent.

The Barry lovers on the other the hand are a bunch of hipocrites, that will go to the end of the earth to defend their clown-in chief ,no matter how wrong he is!

 

agree - obama is not in the same league as bush. im on record calling for the arrest, trial and execution of bush, cheney, rummy, gonzales and yoo for war crimes. i just think obama should be impeached.

 

the saddest thing is, for all the crap they pulled against the Constitution; the Bushies never even managed to effectively contain Al-Qaeda or kill Osama. Obama has done both.

Obama has at least gotten results for the violations he has committed. Insofar as the American state will always be an aggressor in denial about itself, I'd say Obama has done okay in constraining the very worst of the excesses associated with the "war for peace".

In an ideal world, would the American military not be put in a position where excess civilian deaths and massacres are covered up? Sure. But we haven't lived in that ideal world for any time, and I don't anticipate doing so either.

 

Well that does it, I am not gonna vote for that guy then.



DD

 

I'm just glad that Obama has not published nor profited from the publishing of racist newsletters.

This would make the ramifications of the impact of his policies even more unconscionable.

 

thanks "esteban"

and i see the hypocrisy on both "sides". republicans only care about out of control spending and big government when we have a democrat president and democrats only care about civil liberties and non-interventionism when we have a republican president.

 

You're making Hightop sad. His hero died last year, have some respect.

 

You've got a break a few eggs to make an omelette.

 

You didn't care about any of this **** when Bush was doing it, and you won't care about any of it if another Republican becomes president.

You're not pro-anything. You're anti-Obama.

You're a tool, you can't formulate an real argument, and you get all your talking points from websites made up of a scant percentage of the population who sure type a lot but who will never achieve any tangible goals on the national stage.

I challenge you to present something that isn't taken directly from the talking points on right-winger websites. Go ahead. Try.

 

For some people's sake, next time spoiler that. I know I know, you're trying to make a point, but seeing kids like that doesn't sit well with me.

 

This is actually an old list, but, thanks President Obama.

The Terrorist Notches on Obama’s Belt

The list of senior terrorists killed during the Obama presidency is fairly extensive.

There’s Osama bin Laden, of course, killed in May.

Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) leader Anwar al-Awlaki as of today.

Earlier this month officials confirmed that al Qaeda’s chief of Pakistan operations, Abu Hafs al-Shahri, was killed in Waziristan, Pakistan.

In August, ‘Atiyah ‘Abd al-Rahman, the deputy leader of al Qaeda was killed.

In June, one of the group’s most dangerous commanders, Ilyas Kashmiri, was killed in Pakistan.

In Yemen that same month, AQAP senior operatives Ammar al-Wa’ili, Abu Ali al-Harithi, and Ali Saleh Farhan were killed.

In Somalia, Al-Qa’ida in East Africa (AQEA) senior leader Harun Fazul was killed.

Administration officials also herald the recent U.S./Pakistani joint arrest of Younis al-Mauritani in Quetta.

Going back to August 2009, Tehrik e-Taliban Pakistan leader Baitullah Mahsud was killed in Pakistan.

In September of that month, Jemayah Islamiya operational planner Noordin Muhammad Top was killed in Indonesia, and AQEA planner Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan was killed in Somalia.

Then in December 2009 in Pakistan, al Qaeda operational commanders Saleh al-Somali and ‘Abdallah Sa’id were killed.

In February 2010, in Pakistan, Taliban deputy and military commander Abdul Ghani Beradar was captured; Haqqani network commander Muhammad Haqqani was killed; and Lashkar-e Jhangvi leader Qari Zafar was killed.

In March 2010, al Qaeda operative Hussein al-Yemeni was killed in Pakistan, while senior Jemayah Islamiya operative Dulmatin - accused of being the mastermind behind the 2002 Bali bombings – was killed during a raid in Indonesia.

In April 2010, al Qaeda in Iraq leaders Abu Ayyub al-Masri and Abu Omar al-Baghdadi were killed.

In May, al Qaeda’s number three commander, Sheik Saeed al-Masri was killed.

In June 2010 in Pakistan, al Qaeda commander Hamza al-Jawfi was killed.

Remember when Rudy Giuliani warned that electing Barack Obama would mean that the U.S. played defense, not offense, against the terrorists?

If this is defense, what does offense look like?

-Jake Tapper

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/the-terrorist-notches-on-obamas-belt/

 

Impeached for what?