I urge all Ron Paulites to stop voting nearly lock step for the GOP and urge their leader to break ranks, show his independence and run third party. Ron won't do it. He knows there is only about 10 to 20% of his followers who won't suport the GOP against a Dem. Ron knows what the younger more naive followers don't.
My first TWO votes for president were for Ross Perot, lol. Voting for a third party candidate is throwing your vote away, a lesson we all have to learn eventually.
Great video a friend of mine made. <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/dZDoLTb41bo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> The media vs. Ron Paul.
hardly any ron paulites vote lock step for the GOP. once again, you are showing everyone that you dont know what you are talking about...remember, you are on record saying that if i like mainstream GOP economics than ron paul is my guy. you also said the only reason ron paul wants to end the wars is so he can give a tax break to the wealthy. you have no credibility when it comes to discussing him.
And for anyone you missed it, Ron Paul last night with Great... Ron takes the gloves off!!!!! <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/zrUavLPgLqY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
as long as enough people have your mentality than nothing will ever change and the two party monopoly will continue. LANGUAGE NSFW <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/06fCDiu9HiA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Hmm... isn't voting for someone who you don't believe will be the best candidate "throwing away your vote?" Why would you want someone else to make your choice for you?
No. Not really. As long the Constitution says that the President has to get a majority of the electoral votes, we'll have two big parties no matter what the other rules are. There's a reason it's been like this since the very beginning of the Republic.
yes. yes really. as long as people believe that voting 3rd party is throwing away your vote and continue to vote for R's & D's we will continue to get what we have gotten, which is pretty crappy. seems to me like there is alot of discontent out there w/ both parties, but people still think voting 3rd party is "throwing away your vote". i would submit that if you are unhappy w/ both parties you stop voting for them - there are other options. at the least, you might force your respective parties to better adhere to their core principals. the only way to hold politicians accountable is to not vote for them.
Hey, you're free to vote for who you want. If you feel like voting for someone who has zero chance of winning as an act of protest that is your right as a citizen of this great country. Don't fool yourselves into thinking you're accomplishing anything though. This is a two party system and always will be. You will have the exact same effect on things if you wrote in Mickey Mouse or Ron Paul or whomever.....none. Is it fair? I don't know. It is what it is and one day it'll hit you. Just to be clear, I'm talking about an election here. Voting for Paul in a primary is different. You can definitely change the conversation of a party internally that way. When it comes time to vote in November however, get on board with the guy who's CLOSEST to your views from either ticket. Otherwise you're just wasting your time.
Unless it was clarified that this 15ppg be in the NBA, and show up as an official stat. Otherwise, I'm sure he avg. 15ppg or more in practice, shootarounds, and pickup games! :grin: Ok, continue the bashing of Paulbots.
Hey, here's a list of potential candidates you can not vote for: AMERICANS ELECT: Mike Ballantine (Green-Pennsylvania/Vietnam) - Educator & "self-imposed exile" living in Vietnam. Mike Bloomberg (R-New York) - NYC Mayor and news publishing magnate. Laurence Kotlikoff (Independent-Massachusetts) - College professor, economist & author. Buddy Roemer (R-Louisiana) - Former Governor, former Congressman & banker. CONSTITUTION PARTY: Darrell Castle (Tennessee) - '08 VP nominee, CP National Vice Chairman, attorney & USMC veteran. Virgil Goode (Virginia) - Former Congressman, former State Sen., CP National Executive Committee member, attorney & ex-Republican. Charles Heisinger Jr. (Missouri) - Accountant, video game designer & computer technician. J.L. Mealer (Arizona) - Businessman. Chelene Nightingale (California) - Conservative activist, entertainer and '10 Governor nominee. Michael Peroutka (Maryland) - Attorney, former Maryland CP Chair and '04 Presidential nominee. Laurie Roth (Washington) - Radio talk show host and Tea Party activist. Bill Tucker (Wisconsin) - Retired Navy Commander and retired businessman. Robby Wells (North Carolina) - Ex-college football coach, motivational speaker, businessman & National Guard veteran. GREEN PARTY: Roseanne Barr (California) - Actress, comedian and farmer. Winona LaDuke (Minnesota) - Native American activist, economist, writer and '96/'00 VP nominee. Cynthia McKinney (California) - Ex-Georgia Congresswoman, Ex-State Rep., College Professor and '08 Nominee. Kent Mesplay (California) - Biomedical engineer, environmental activist, '04/'08 candidate & '06 US Sen. candidate. Harley Mikkelson (Michigan) - Retired state employee, Vietnam War veteran & frequent candidate. Rhett Smith (Texas) - Company auditor, Navy veteran & frequent candidate. Jill Stein (Massachusetts) - Physician, progressive activist, author & '02/10 Governor nominee. Gary Swing (Colorado) - Festival promoter, peace activist & frequent candidate. LIBERTARIAN PARTY: Ralph Beach (South Carolina) Jim Burns (Nevada) - Ex-State Party Chair, ex-police officer, USMC veteran and frequent candidate. Roger Gary (Texas) - Ex-State Party Chair, marketing executive and '10 State Railroad Commission nominee. R.J. Harris (Oklahoma) - Businessman, Army veteran, Ron Paul campaign activist & '10 US Rep. candidate. Gary Johnson (New Mexico) - Ex-Governor and businessman. Scott Keller (Florida) - Computer programmer. Robert Milnes (New Jersey) - Progressive activist and '08 Presidential candidate. James Ogle (California) - Parliamentary system advocate. Carl Person (New York) - Attorney, Army veteran & '06/'10 NY Attorney General candidate. Dave Redick (Wisconsin) - Retired businessman, engineer, Army veteran & frequent candidate. Leroy Saunders (Georgia) - Limousine company owner. Sam Sloan (New York) - Libertarian activist & '10 Governor candidate. Bill Still (Virginia) - Author. Mosheh Thezion (California) - Electronics technician & '10 US Sen. candidate. Dean Tucker (Texas) Joy Waymire (California) - Tea Party activist, ranch manager and tax preparer. R. Lee Wrights (Texas) - Ex-Libertarian Party National Vice Chair, writer, journalist, newsletter publisher & USAF veteran ...and a whole lot more to choose from here: http://www.politics1.com/p2012.htm PS - why aren't you libertarians promoting the libertarian candidate's campaign for president? Gary Johnson joined...
What you are missing is that the electoral college system, plus the majority control system of Congress, heavily favor a two party system since a presidential election isn't actually a national election but 50 state elections(something we all should've remembered from 2000). While Perot won 20% of the vote in 1992 that wasn't represented in Electoral College votes where he got 0. I am not one to discourage people voting for third parties as I was a former Perot voter but it should be done at the state by state level and build from there.
This is a prisoner's dilemma problem. At heart, you are right. If everyone who was unhappy with the system voted 3rd party, you could create change. But if most people don't - and you do - you're actually contributing to your least favorite candidate winning. So if your 1st choice is Paul, second is Romney, and third is Obama, then voting Paul makes it more likely Obama wins. If you otherwise support Obama over Romney, then voting Paul makes it more likely that Romney wins. Angry Dem-leaners learned that lesson the hard way voting for Ralph Nader and getting Bush elected as a result. While they might not have liked Gore as much as Nader, they probably created the worst of all worlds for them as a result. If you can convince the whole system to vote for their favorite candidate, you might make this work. But until then, the system is designed to reward people for picking the least of two evils.
He has a very strong following around college campuses, probably because of his upfront position about the drug war. He's my favorite candidate by far, but if being a Paul follower is a waste of time.... Haha. Great guy also, I met him last year at an early campaign rally.
I watched him pretty much get booed off the stage by the College Republicans at SWT in 1996. Made me laugh.
