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Knicks draft pick starting to become valuable ?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by OlajuwonFan81, Dec 30, 2011.

  1. gmoney411

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    I keep trying to rationalize that them beating these bad teams (utah on the road is awful most of the time) is a good thing but the odds of them having a bottom 5 record is very low unless they completely collapse. At the end of the day though that brutal run they have in March and April is going to decide their fate.
     
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    Yup.

    And it didn't help that Yao has been practically the only successful Asian player, and he was 7"6.

    Lin got threw in the stereotype and got denied opportunities. The fact that he is working his way up to a starting spot from absolutely nothing is remarkable.
     
  3. gmoney411

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    Does Lin have a great vertical or is super fast or something else that I am missing? If he has none of those attributes then him being Asian doesn't really factor into him being not that highly recruited. There are TONS of non asian high school stars that don't get scholarship offers because they don't test that well. Clay Matthews had to walk onto the USC football team. If you don't have great physical attributes no matter what race you are you aren't getting a D1 offer 9 times out of 10.
     
  4. Spooner

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    Cry me a river. He went to Harvard. I'm assuming he would have at the very least, considered Harvard even if he were given a scholarship elsewhere. Regardless, this wasn't my point at all. Players from better conferences will always get an advantage come draft time. That is no secret. To pin his draft position on his ethnicity is insane. If you are genuinely frustrated with the plight of asian basketball players not getting a fair shake, as it seems you are, I can't help you there.

    Oh boy, another racially controversial turned thread thanks to Jeremy Lin.
     
  5. flamingdts

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    You don't need to be super fast nor jump incredibly high to get into the majority of college basketball teams. Those feats are more coveted in the NBA.

    This is from wikipedia

     
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    J.J. Watt is another good example.
     
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    Can he play for china in the olympics?!? haha, they needs guards who can handle the ball... but that national team is hopeless now without yao..
     
  8. gmoney411

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    Thank you for proving my point for me. Lin says himself that he isn't going to blow you away with anything that he does because he is not extra flashy or freakishly athletic. He wanted to go to some of the best schools in the nation that turn down tons of good players. Steph Curry didn't get offers from those same types of schools for the same reasons and his dad played in the league. Lin was offered walk on opportunities by the schools just not scholarships. Nothing in that wikipedia post shows anything that makes it seem like it was raced based. You think Ohio St. isn't kicking themselves for letting Curry slip through their fingers? That's just how recruiting goes. If you aren't blowing people away on film with stuff and aren't huge you will get looked over.
     
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    There are just so many examples and it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with the awe factor. If you don't blow people away with your athleticism you will get over looked by colleges.
     
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    Looks like I need to post more because you can't seem to look more into the issue.

    The fact that you don't think Lin's race has anything to do with his under recruitment says everything. The facts are out there that it played a part, it might not be the sole reason but it played a part.
     
  11. Spooner

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    ^^^^ Which part of that accounts for racial profiling?

    Becuase there are very few asians in basketball or becuase Lin said so? :confused:

    Please......
     
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    I don't know.. maybe like the whole quote.

    So are you saying that Lin's race played absolutely no part to his underrecruitment?
     
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    I take it back if I said it has nothing to do with race. I'm sure it does play a small role. My main point was that it is by no way the deciding factor. If Lin was an athletic freak he would have got in. I will agree though that him being Asian didn't help. You however are trying to make it seem like him being Asian is a big factor and the main reason he didn't get a scholarship and I couldn't disagree more. It plays a role but as the guy in your article said it's probably a little one. Steph Curry was treated just as unfairly and he is black and a much better college and pro player than Lin.
     
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    Don't create straw man arguments.

    Of course him being Asian is not the deciding factor, but it played a much bigger role than you're making it out to be. There has been heavy Asian stereotyping for Lin, both on and off the court. You don't think those stereotyping caused several denied opportunities for him?
     
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    Not for college basketball recruiting. He was 6'skinny and not that great of an athlete. Those kids always get looked over. If Yi or yao had tried to go to college they would have been recruited by every big college in the nation. Yao was taken number one and yi wad to ten. Scouts respect size and talent. If lin had tested great he would have got an offer
     
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    Lin is the only player in history to be a finalist for NCAA Bob Cousy to not get drafted, he is also the only player in history to win California state player of the year to not get a college scholarship.

    Do college and NBA scouts ignore all of these because he doesn't run as fast as Ty Lawson nor does he jump as high as Lebron James? He's pretty athletic, just not freakishly athletic.

    It's not like he doesn't have size, he is a 6"3 PG, that is terrific size for any PG.
     
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    Knicks pick starting to lose value.

    It drops from 8th to 9th with tonight's win. The Warriors move up to the 8th spot, thanks to the player they waived, Jeremy Lin.
     
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    J.J. Watt is one of the best athletes on the Texans. He ran a 4.78 40 at 290 pounds.
     
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    Don't get your point. Why would a basketball player want to go to Harvard if he wanted to get drafted? He got snubbed by college recruiters, plain and simple.

    He has good size for a PG, fairly quick, has good handle, and has always been a good defender. In fact, he is in some way quite similar to Rubio.

    You don't know what you are talking about if you don't believe Asians regularly get discriminated on the high school and college levels. Coaches regularly prefer blacks over Asian simply because they assume that blacks are naturally more physically gifted.
     
  20. gmoney411

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    How many of those other California winners wanted to go to an ivy league school? I'm willing to bet other winners went to lower level colleges. Also how many cousey finalists were drafted in later rounds before the draft was cut to two rounds?

    To and Yao are proof that the NBA does respect Asian players with great attributes.if Jeremy was a physical specimen like them he would have been drafted and highly recruited too
     

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