Kevin Love says Kobe is the best player in the game

Put-back*

 

Your argument is ridiculous.

How exactly does that show LeBron has been better than Kobe for "many" years? It takes a team to win, what exactly is your point? You can argue that Daniel Gibson "bailed out" LeBron in game 7 against the Pistons the year in which the Cavs went to the finals. Obviously without Kobe or LeBron, their teams would not have gotten that far in the first place. Point is, it takes teams to win.

Did you forget the mid-2000s when Kobe was continually taking a bunch of D-Leaguers (those teams were absolutely terrible, easily worse than anything LeBron has ever had) to the postseason?

LeBron has had some underrated supporting casts. He has had an All-Star big in Ilguaskas, an All-Star scoring point in Mo Williams. Solid all-around players (many of which still in the NBA unlike some of those casts which Kobe had in the Mid-2000s).


And I dare you to compare Kobe's Finals Statistics to LeBron's Finals Statistics.

 

Was Kobe on the better team last year when Pau didn't show up for the playoffs? Lebron only had to be good and not great in the finals last year for his team to win and he couldn't do it. Wade would have carried Bron Bron to a title last year but Lebron couldn't even do the light lifting. Lebron fan boys are no longer allowed to say that Kobe has had more after Lebron flat out chocked in the finals last year. If Lebron had the same series that Kobe had in 09-10 the Heat would have won in 4-5 games. Lebron is a regular season superstar until he dominates in a finals.

On a side note, Smith and Elie bailed Hakeem out on the way to some rings because one player can not carry a team to a title.

 

What I mentioned was a fact, not an opinion. You can believe it's dumb, but you can't change history.

 

There are two ways to take that question, but my answer would be yes. If you are talking pure talent, then yes, he was arguably on a better team last year, or a team just as good. Just because Pau Gasol played poorly does not mean he wasn't a great player. He just didn't play like one that series. Using that logic, the Heat didn't have as much talent as we think they did in the ECF's when Wade played like garbage, or in the Finals when LeBron played like garbage.

Dudes playing poorly and not having talent are two completely differen things. The Lakers had plenty of talent last season.

 

Bottom line is every good player in the history of the game has to some of you guys logic "chocked" in the playoffs. Every player has lost a playoffs series, but not many have won a championship let alone 5, or 2 to some people. It's hard to win a playoff series let alone 16 games for a NBA title I would think rockets fans would know this.

Kobe Bryant is not a choker in the playoffs u guys need to chill out on that. I wouldn't really say Lebron should e classified as a choker either as he's won a lot of playoff series but untill he wins a ring nobody not even the biggest Kobe hater can say he's been better in big games than bryant period theres nothing to back it up.

Quick question if Lebron wins a ring? (I think he will this year) how is it any different than Kobe winning his first 3 with shaq. Kobe was avg 25 plus a game in those runs and him ad shaq were clearly the two best players on that team much like wade and Lebron are now. So my question is what's the difference if Lebron wins a ring this yr he still has a top 5 player as his wing man or to some ppl his captain and a top 15 player in bosh at pf his team to me is more star stacked than when Kobe and shaq won 3 in a row plus its documented that wade seems to be the guy that closes for that team.

The fact the Kobe is in his 16tg yr and is still considered the best player in the game by hi peers says a lot about his work ethic and drive to be great if Lebron still has that praise when he's in his 16th season then he should have a very comparable resume to Kobe than we can debate this much better but I think untill then Kobe's the best but he's played 6-7 more seasons so it's not really fair.

Lebrons a great player I just hope he lives up to billing cause I absolutely hate the Kobe and lbj fan boys going at it both players are great and not many that have played the game did it better than these two nobody should ever mention overrated with either of theses guys.

Ok peace out

 

The difference is you can strongly argue that LeBron is the best player on his team and the best player in basketball since he leads his team in damn near everything, is their primary defender and arguably the league's MVP. I don't believe you can make that case for Kobe during the 3-peat. It was so evident who the man on that team was that folks said....at the time....that you could put other star guards in the same role and still have success. Phil Jackson actually tried to have Kobe traded during that time.

I know LeBron haters like to say it's "Wade's team" but there really isn't much to back that up.

 

Kobe isn't the best player in the game anymore. The majority of people who watch the game will attest to that (media, fans, pundits, critics, whoever).

But you do have to give Kobe props for staying among the elite for this long, even to this day. I think that is what impresses other players/fans, and thus some still do consider him the best. Nothing wrong with that.

 

No one can rate your performance better than your colleagues.
The majorities of players still want to team with Kobe for a playoff series if their life is dependent on it, simple as that. Best player is not determined in regular season.

 

For the ENTIRE 2011 playoff
Wade 26.3 PER
LeBron 23.7 PER

Enough said.

 

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/12/chris-bosh-would-like-dwyane-wade-taking-the-last-shot/

Other than all of the miami teammates want and trust the ball in Wade's hands in the important moments...you can quote stats all you want, but objectively, being 'great' is not equal to having a high PER, mental make up is important i ngreatness and it takes that to close games, be a leader in integral times in the biggest games. You want to compare stats? Why don't you compare lebron's averages in the finals to Wade's, or kobe's. Mj trumps em all, btu the last 2 keep gunning in the biggest stage(yes evene MJ had 20 percent games in the finals, look it up), but lebron's just curls up into his hole. He has done the same this season, see the last few games in free throws, against miami etc, he is a hell of a player, will fill up the stat sheet and impact the game in so many ways. He is quite special, but is missing a certain gene to put him over the top. But I do concede he is the best statistics player and if you want fantasy basketball...lebron's the guy no matter what, if you want clutch leadership in the biggest stage, the real goto guy...wade is.

 

many people forgot how he tore up both quality defensive teams in those two playoff series. they do not look at the whole sample size.

 

You know, after watching how Love kicked Scola on the face today I realize why he thinks Kobe is the best in the game. Dirty recognizes dirty.

 

But what Love did tonight was stupid dirty. Everything is on film from several angles and this will tarnish him in the eyes of the NBA, fans and other players in addition to a suspension. Can he deny intent without sounding like Ndamukong Suh? We'll see.

 

"It just happened to be Scola's face"

Ha!

 

For the ENTIRE 2011 playoff
Lebron 3.8 Win Shares
Wade 3.7 Win Shares


more said.

 

I was surprised a fight/player-to-player confrontation didn't start there. That's one of the dirtiest play I've seen on an NBA court.

 

chris bosh's feeling would be a fantastic end to the argument if there was actually anything to back them up. i can't change how anyone "feels" about wade or lebron getting the ball at the end, but what has actually happened doesn't back up those feelings.

what is on wade's side of the ledger? a jumper against the bobcats this season right before bosh made those comments? boy, what a big game.

the heat used wade as the closer to start last season. he didn't do very well in late game situations. lebron ended up getting more opportunities and did more with them, whether you were using your eyes to observe that or 82games clutch stats to tell you. on that infamous 1-18 stat the heat had on gamewinners? the one was a lebron breakaway dunk after i believe an eddie house steal, so neither made an actual gamewinner.

and in the playoffs? i remember wade making a pretty big shot in a relatively meaningless philly game, big shots to start the run in game 5 against chicago, and a couple of jumpers with like 4 minutes left in game 3 against dallas. lebron hit multiple shots in game 4 against boston, multiple shots in game 5 against boston (a personal 10-0 run to close the series), multiple shots in game 4 against chicago (and i think a a few shots in game 2 or 3), and then in the game 5 comeback, he hit the game-tying 3 with under a minute to go, then the game-winner with under 30 seconds, and blocked rose's last second attempt. so we've got lebron with multiple shots in 4 games against tough opponents and wade with multiple shots in one of those games (which were equaled if not trumped by lebron later in that game) and a couple of shots in really early clutch time against dallas. it's not like when lebron wasn't doing anything in the finals that wade stepped up and stopped all of those 4th quarter problems the way lebron carried wade in the chicago series. he pretty much watched them happen as well.


but hey, wade hit a jumper against the bobcats, the biggest game of all. so i guess we've got to give the decision to wade.

 

Ain't LeBron nuthuggers the biggest PER advocates ever?
Since when Win share becomes the holy grail?

And take your logic, 2001 playoff
Kobe 3.8 win shares
Shaq 3.7 win shares.

So now you have proof it was Kobe's team?

LMAO, LeBron asskissers are best appologists ever.

 

So are you a believer in PER to denote who is the better player of just for the sake of this argument?