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What the rockets should have done differently this season

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by BeechSpicer, Feb 2, 2012.

  1. BeechSpicer

    BeechSpicer Member

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    I wouldn't propose all out tanking in normally, but if there was ever a season perfect for tanking- it is this one. You don't have to tank for 82 games. You don't even have to call it tanking, just rest the old guys because of too many back to backs and let the young guys rest.

    For those in support of going for it- You realize the Rockets attained their current record after extracting the most output from each player. Now, other teams like Heat, Bulls, San Antonio, Mavericks, etc- have the luxury of resting some stars at one point or the other or losing someone to injury (thus enabling them to be fresh for playoffs).
    By the time playoffs and the end of season get here, we have no fresh legs coming in that was hurt or injured all season like Ginobili with the Spurs, and all you current contributors will be so tired and hurting- you will cringe watching the Rockets
     
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    Technically this is the first year we are without a star, as Yao Ming officially retired this summer. Morey's job was initially to fill a roster around McGrady and Yao. When McGrady went down he swung a deal for Kevin Martin to stay in contention. At that point we were still a team built around a star primed for a return. We were a contending team no more than a year ago, and now we are officially transitioning. I'm skeptical as to how you can say it's the same thing season after season, when in reality, this is our first official year without a star on the roster.

    Last season, Pau Gasol was in the running for MVP of the league, so that might tell you something about the value of our players.

    Our team is one of the youngest in the league. We have a rookie starting at small forward and a 23 year old backing him up. Twill is in fact older than both of them. Perhaps he simply doesn't have the ability to beat those players out. It's astounding how some of you think you know more than the coach. Or even more sad, how you think Twill or Thabeet could somehow bolster the franchise. Hill was given the starting spot to lose, and he lost it. And guess what? Dalembert is going to be a very, very valuable asset next year. As for this year, not picking up the player options will give us a ton of expirings for trade and ultimately a very good cap picture going into next year.
     
  3. BeechSpicer

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    its the same season after season, meaning we are either number 9 or we barely squeak in number 8. We end up with a tall order of beating a top 4 team and we usually lose, except for when we beat Portland. We are then stuck with a low draft pick.

    Its quite telling that the brightest point for Rockets fan this season especially now that Lowry's performance is back to normal is the pick draft pick.

    Dalembert is not an asset- he's old and no other team wants him. He's been scouted since forever, so its not like the Rockets can trick another team to take him based on his potential.

    I don't know which MVP
     
  4. BeechSpicer

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    I don't know what mvp list you saw Pau Gasols name in, but it was probably a typo.

    There are younger teams than us in the league including OKC. And why is being young an excuse, no one forced the team to be young, actually it should have been an advantage this season.

    Tell me the last superstar that was not a #pick (Yao Ming) that the Rockets drafted and successful developed into a superstar. For all the accolades we hear about Morey and his stat/recruiting skills, you would think he would have been unearthing superstars in each draft. And please dont even mention brooks or landry. Meanwhile, he somehow managed to lose Rudy Gay and Batum.

    I'm not saying Thabeet is the answer. But all those minutes we are wasting on an old Dalembert should have been going towards the on court development of Thabeet. Dalembert is not our future. Thabeet was young enough to be our future if we had taken the time to develop him.

    Coming to T-Will. After last year's fiasco, you would have thought this year will be better- just twill and bud at sf right? Nope, Morey goes and gets 2 more sf in the draft and another one in free agency. WTF.
     
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    The rovkets should have traded Jordan hill for rose, should have traded Yao's expiring deal for Dwight, then they should have sent over chase and Marcus Morris for ray Allen. Boom. How come they don't see it the way I do?!?
     
  6. BeechSpicer

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    I AGREE :grin:
     
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    Watch some basketball please. Last Season Pau Gasol was in MVP running for the first quarter of the season.
    Do you think they won't know if Thabeet is good? He can't even do anything in practice. Practice, practice, not the game, we talking bout practice!
     
  8. BeechSpicer

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    oh that's right, the nba is strictly based on the first quarter, which means Kyle Lowry is gonna win it this season.
    You develop your young players especially if they have any kind of potential. You think Bynum would have got this good, if the Lakers treated him like we r currently doing Thabeet.

    Oh, i finally got a list of mvp candidates last year, once the season was over- not afte the first game or for the first quarter

    http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=2&listId=993
     
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    Traded Scola to a team like Indy who had cap space.
     
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    I hate to bump this stupid thread, but:

    Why should he be nice? You've been a juvenile prick.

    Can anyone explain to me, OP included, how Jeff Adrien has affected anything whatsoever, especially the development of the team? :rolleyes:

    I'm pretty sure if you fire him, it will be a little late for him to realize he's on the hot seat.

    Please quit while you're woefully behind. Your constant inept responses to your own thread are not furthering any useful contribution.
     
  11. BeechSpicer

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    I wasn't begging him to be nice.
    Any minutes jeff adrien plays, even if 0.03 secs, its minutes that should have gone to other promising prospects on our squad
    i said fire him at the end of the season, but let him know he's on the hot seat till then- can you read?

    For all of u that are against tanking, what do you think you can achieve with this mediocre squad. I'm all ears, especially for those on Dalemberts nuts
     
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    1 star.
     
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    So I don't have to be nice either? Good. You're a moron. you always start your best players, first off, because you always play to win, period. Why do you think Kyle Lowry is getting almost 40 minutes a game? Secondly, most people with eyes realize that most of our 09' draft class does not consist of "promising" prospects. Just bad ones. Therefor, they do not play.
     
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    That's the point of the OP, why try to win when it will only lead to your team possibly losing a good pick in a loaded draft and another 1st round exit? Why give time to people that have no real upside anymore(Lowry, Pat and Parsons have, I'm okay with them getting minutes) instead of trying to see if some of the 09ers develop with consistent playing time? Signing guys like Dalembert and now maybe Kaman gives us wins this season, but they won't be part of a possible contending Rockets squad and kill our chances of getting a good prospect in this year's draft.

    I don't think it's moronic to suggest a strategy that we'll benefit from in the long term instead of preaching pride. Look how other franchises handled it and are starting to do well now. We're nowhere near that stage because of countless seasons where we tried to get to the #8 seed instead of developing talent and collecting good draft picks.

    Some of you guys really think too short-sighted when saying we should do everything possible, including signing vets, to win as much games as possible , that's not how you run a sports organization.
     
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    the niners are history...get over it. I've enjoyed watching the Rocks this year.
     
  16. BeechSpicer

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    Most people with eyes realize most of our 09 draft picks with the exception of Jordan never got any consistent playing time to prove themselves as rockets players- i don't care what happened with their past teams.

    I wouldn't consider it playing to win, if you are playing for the 7th to 8th position or losing out of the playoffs totally year after year- thats playing to be average.

    Wanna see an example of what Thabeet could potentially turn into under the right management personnel, look at Bynum. He was garbage the first couple of years despite being personally trained/mentored by Kareem and having played bball all his life- did the Lakers send him to the league or take him off the playing roster- nope.
    Why? You can't teach height, and we have a legit 7ft who is defensively talented naturally, yet we are too busy playing people like 6'5 chuck hayes over him, or signing someone like dalembert who will only play for one more season with us. We are practically sacrificing our future for one or two extra wins that will not get us anywhere.
    Its called looking at the big picture, you might wanna look into it
     
  17. BeechSpicer

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    what about the future of the rockets. Putting up the same record year after year is going to yield the same results- low draft pick and first round exit/no playoffs.
    Plus, Morey's free agent acquisition record is horrible.
    The niners are not history, maybe history for the rockets, but im sure one or two of them will make it on another time. And even if they end up only as reliable 6th men the rest of their career, it will be a shame we never took the time to develop any of them.
     
  18. Sydeffect

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    So when the owner says NO not to tank what is Morey supposed to do about it?
     
  19. BeechSpicer

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    Then the owner has to provide the funds and means to acquire better players, cos our current roster is perfect for tanking except they are trying to overachieve as always.
     
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    They are trying to maintain cap flexibility for the chance to get Dwight or Deron. They probably won't get them, but it's worth a try.
     

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