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Knicks draft pick starting to become valuable ?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by OlajuwonFan81, Dec 30, 2011.

  1. withmustard

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    NO, New Orleans will win it. That way every owner wins the Lottery, everyone is happy. NY will get No.3
     
  2. pippendagimp

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    sounds about right
     
  3. BetterThanEver

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    Easy, you pretty much nailed it.

    Yeah, I think many folks are confused on how the lottery works. I agree the Knicks picks is unlikely to be in the 10-14 range. Their are 5 Western Conference lottery teams(Rockets,Timberwolves,Warriors,Grizzlies,Suns) with better records than the Knicks, they will be drafting 10th-14th.

    Last year, the Western conference lotto teams had the 11th-14th spots nailed down tight. If the Bucks had squeezed into the 8th spot, they would have drafted 15th. Even though the 9th seed Bucks missed the playoffs by only 2 games, they dropped past all the West teams in the 11-14 range.

    10th Bucks
    11th Warriors
    12th Jazz
    13th Suns
    14th Rockets

    Knicks will have almost any pick but the 11th-14th range. Knicks will get either the 15th pick or the 6th-10th pick, with chance of a top 3 from ping pong balls.
     
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    The Raptors and Sacramento are within tanking range at 1.5 games.

    Kings have a had a tough schedule with 3 road games for every 2 home games played. They are 2-11 on the road, but 5-4 at home. Once the traveling eases up, they have a good chance of getting another 1-2 wins.

    Raptors have had it even worse. They played 15 road games and only 8 home games. They have barely been in their home arena. It could be good for another win.

    The Nets are a strong possibility, with only 0.5 game lead over the Knicks. Brook Lopez coming back in a few weeks. Deron Williams and a well-rested Lopez should be good for another 0.5 game win.

    The Knicks "easy" schedule has passed. They are getting into the playoff or borderline playoff teams like the Heat, Celtics, Rockets, Bulls, Jazz and Lakers. Those teams are good enough for 1-2 more losses.

    The Knicks have a longshot at passing up the Bobcats, Hornets and Wiz.
     
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  5. Carl Herrera

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    How many times have the NYK won a top 3 pick in the lotto?
     
  6. gmoney411

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    I don't think they have been in the top 3 since they won the first one in 84 and drafted Ewing.
     
  7. rpr52121

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    1985 - No. 1 Ewing
    1986 - No. 5 Kenny Walker
    1987 - No. 5 pick (Scottie Pippen) traded to Seattle for No. 18 pick (Mark Jackson)
    1988 - No. 11 pick (Will Perdue) traded to Chicago for No. 19 pick (Rod Strickland)
    1989 - No. 22 pick traded to Portland.
    1990 - No. 17 Jerrod Mustaf
    1991 - No. 12 Greg Anthony
    1992 - No. 20 Hubert Davis
    1993 - No. 26 pick traded to Orlando.
    1994 - No. 24 pick Monty Williams
    1994 - No. 26 pick Charlie Ward (via Atlanta & Houston)
    1995 - No. 24 pick traded to Dallas.
    1996 - No. 18 John Wallace (via Detroit & San Antonio)
    1996 - No. 19 Walter McCarty (via Atlanta & Miami)
    1996 - No. 21 Dontae Jones
    1997 - No. 25 John Thomas
    1998 - No. 15 Frederic Weis
    2000 - No. 22 pick (Donnell Harvey) traded to Dallas
    2001 - No. 18 pick traded to Houston
    2002 - No. 7 pick (Nene Hilario) traded to Denver for No. 25 pick (Frank Williams)
    2003 - No. 9 Michael Sweetney
    2004 - No. 16 pick (Kirk Synder) traded to Utah.
    2005 - No. 8 Channing Frye
    2005 - No. 21 Nate Robinson (via Phoenix & Chicago)
    2005 - No. 30 David Lee (via Phoenix & San Antonio)
    2006 - No. 2 pick (LaMarcus Aldridge) traded to Chicago.
    2006 - No. 20 Renaldo Balkman (via Denver, New Jersey, & Toranto)
    2006 - No. 29 Mardy Collins (via San Antonio)
    2007 - No. 9 pick (Joakim Noah) traded to Chicago for No. 23 (Wilson Chandler)
    2008 - No. 6 Danilo Gallinari
    2009 - No. 8 Jordan Hill
    2009 - Toney Douglas (via Los Angeles)
    2010 - No. 9 pick (Gordon Hayward) traded to Utah.
    2011 - No. 17 Iman Shumpert
     
  8. Carl Herrera

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    Yep. If there really was a consipiracy to favor the Knicks, you would think that the Knicks would have been gifted a few lotto wins over the last 20+ years.
     
  9. SamFisher

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    ^ not that they would have had them all at the same time/kept them, but trading away the chance to pick Nene, Lamarcus Aldridge, Joakim Noah for what amounted to Frank Williams, Wilson Chandler, & Eddy Curry is quintuple facepalm.
     
  10. Carl Herrera

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    To make the matter even worse, Nene was traded as part of the exchange of Camby for McDyess.

    http://www.nba.com/knicks/news/Knicks_Acquire_NBA_AllStar_An-47913-65.html

    Of course, McDyess was pretty broken down by the time he became a Knick, while Camby was plenty productive (and still is today) so it's a double-loss.
     
  11. Bearius Jones

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    Knicks Sucking for Draft Pick

    Hopefully the Knicks don't suck too much. As was said, the Knicks not making the playoffs as the 9th or 10th seed in the East almost assures them of getting pick 6-10th in the lottery. Since the Bobcats have been in the NBA in 2004 the top 3 have been:

    Worst record(5 times) 2nd worse(2 times) 3rd(3 times) 4th(3 times) 5th(4 times) 6th(4 times) 7th(1 time) 8th(1 time) 9th(1 time) 10-14th(0 times)

    2011
    1st pick Clippers(8th worst record) 2nd Wolves (Worst) 3rd Nets (6th)
    2010
    1st Wizards(5th) 2nd 76ers(6th) 3rd Nets (Worst)
    2009
    1st Clippers (3rd) 2nd Grizzlies (6th) 3rd Thunder (4th)
    2008
    1st Bulls (9th) 2nd Heat (Worst) 3rd Wolves (3rd)
    2007
    1st Blazers (7th) 2nd Thunder (5th) 3rd Hawks (4th)
    2006
    1st Raptors (5th) 2nd Knicks (2nd) 3rd Bobcats (3rd)
    2005
    1st Bucks(6th) 2nd Hawks(Worst) 3rd Portland(5th)
    2004
    1st Magic(Worst) 2nd Clippers(4th-tied) 3rd Bulls (2nd)

    I think going by recent history that I want the Knicks to have the 8th-11th worse record. 6th worse has been in the top 3 four times in 8 years and was in for the last 3 years! 7th is due to get in the top 3 so that is why I chose 8th-11th. 8th just got the top pick and it won't happen this year...I hope.:(
     
  12. Easy

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    Conspiracy theory: During the Isiah era, the league knew that he would have squander the best draft picks anyway, so they decided it's a good time to mask the doctoring.
     
  13. RedDragon01

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    ...because that's how probability works. hehe...:)

    If you roll a 6-sided die 6 times and it comes up 1-2-4-4-5-6, when you roll it a 7th time, 3 has as much of a chance of coming up as 4 does, even though 4 came up twice in the last 6. What's happened in the past has no effect on what is to happen in the future as far as probability is concerned.

    So what we should be hoping for is that New York ends the season with the 6th worst record in the league, and then that none of the 6th-14th worst record teams win any of the 1st 3 picks.
     
  14. JayZ750

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    If the Knicks lotto bounce their way into a top 3 pick I'll be pissed!
     
  15. Carl Herrera

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    If there was really a conspiracy, the league wouldn't have allowed Isiah to live.
     
  16. ashishduh

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    Rockets miss the playoffs and NY finishes 5th worst record but we miraculously win the lottery and push the Knicks to 6th.
     
  17. RedDragon01

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    I didn't think about that...but THAT would be the ultimate outcome. Hehe...
     
  18. Dreamin

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    Come on Boston.
     
  19. highlander3128

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    Freaking 1 point game........
     
  20. Dreamin

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    Pierce!!!!
     

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