I don't see Thabeet/Hill meeting the salary matching rule. They earn $8m combined, so we can only bring $12m back, I think. Kaman makes $14m. Throwing in T-Will too would get them to $10.4, which would save NOH the proration of $3.7m. Anyway, obviously this trade isn't worth throwing in any real assets for, except maybe a 2nd rounder or something. Even if the Knicks pick isn't a franchise-saver, it's worth more than a half-year rental, which is all this is.
Kaman would also be a nice trade asset to have with his expiring contract in case Morey would take a shot at acquiring D12 since Orlando would want to unload Hedo's contract. Martin,scola,kaman + fillers for Dwight and Hedo. Then D-will signs with us to team up with Dwight and the pipedream scenario is complete. Hence, Morey becomes God in H-Town.
Not that either team would do it, but this opens up the possibilities for more scenarios. I'd give them Scola to get back the Minnesota pick. The Rockets could amnesty Scola if they really need the cap space in the offseason, but I'm sure Le$ doesn't want to keep paying someone whose not producing. And it lets them amnesty someone else down the road. If the Rockets then go on to miss the playoffs... as the potentially would without Scola, they would 3 first round picks, most likely at best in the 9-15 range, but that does give you something to work with.
How is it pointless? We're not keeping Thabeet, Hill, or ANY of the '09ers. Alexander wants to make the playoffs, and Kaman would contribute more than any of the '09 lottery crew. Kaman is a bigger expiring contract than Thabeet and Hill combined, and we have already elected not to exercise the options on their contracts. I'm not sure about the new CBA, but under the old CBA we would be able to trade Kaman immediately at the deadline if -- from our end -- he's involved in a deal only by himself; he cannot be packaged with other players. Obviously there could be two simultaneous/parallel trades in concert, but he wouldn't be able to be combined with other salary to get a bigger contract. It's an extra $2 million or so by the end of the season, where every dollar matters in the Howard & Williams chase. (Citation by Bima needed.) This fits our general MO: improve the team wherever possible + salary cap flexibility
I think you're way off base here. First, the Minn pick was brought up to describe the incentive that the Hornets would have in trading Kaman to the Rockets, because we'd be competing with the Timberwolves for that playoff spot, thus the Minn pick that NOH owns would become more valuable if they give us a better chance of reaching the playoffs. This as opposed to trading to a team that's already set to make the playoffs, a team that doesn't have a chance to make it, or any Eastern Conference team. Secondly, Houston would be trading for Kaman to increase their chances of making and advancing in the playoffs...no other obvious reason. Trading Scola away for Minnesota's pick this year would be counter-productive.
is there still a 60 day restriction to package players after a trade? I am sure there are ways around that rule by having a "separate deal" trading that player by themself
I hope we can land him. This would be very good for us. Especially if we only lose Thabeet/Hill + filler. Kaman can definitely play and this move adds another skilled 7 footer to our squad. Dalembert/Kaman would be a poor but tougher man's version of Gasol/Nene but way more cost effective while providing flexibility. You can never have enough skilled big men. I love this potential trade.
You are right, it is not a stretch to assume they can make a change in the right direction but by the same logic boston, milwaukee, and cleveland may continue to win games and downright beat the knicks for that 7-8th playoff spot. The Knick's talent is not reflected by their record, I know, but that is a ongoing problem to which they have no solution. Keep in mind, they have an 8-13 record with one of the easiest schedules in the league. Its disappointing to say the least. Ultimately, I don't see the knick going to the playoffs with this team.
I'm surprised the Kaman talks have dragged on as long as they already have. Kaman has been out for over a week while they've been fielding offers - obviously, it does him no good to sit at home not getting reps. In theory, since Kaman is a one-year rental, his value to other teams (such as us) goes down with each passing week. Meanwhile, the Hornets need to play these young pieces (Thabeet/Hill/Williams) themselves to see if they have any value. I get that you want to shop for all offers, but with over a week gone, I think Demps should know what he can reasonably get. Makes sense for both sides to get together and nail this out ASAP (preferably today).
Trading expiring contracts for expiring contract? Color me unimpressed. Not saying I wouldn't do it, but I think Jordan Hill could net a pick. The rest of the 09ers? Take them all.
I believe the only way getting Kaman improves our cap space, if we trade 2 of the 09ers as the center pieces, is if we also include a player with a contract through next season as well. Otherwise, we're just taking on more salary that's over the cap. And that's salary that doesn't do us any more good than just letting the two 09ers expire.
I think so. We wouldn't say anything because it wouldn't do any good to the existing team. Now NOLA on the other hand...they don't care about Kaman knowing and they are trying to increase their offers by saying this is what I'm getting...beat it and you can have him. Now hopefully the Patterson and pick talk are just Demps throwing some bluff talk. Kaman is worth either of them IMO. Kaman for 09ers - take it or leave it.
hmm...they list Pat as if he were a filler...SMH...i would hope we dont trade him or a first rounder... looks like NO gets to screw minny over by helping us win more games this year...we get to make the playoffs (probably) and make a short run that's going to create some buzz and make Les some more dough. ANd we still get the cap space anyway...i guess it's better than nothing.
Morey should drag the talks out to the deadline then offer Scola, Hill, Ppat, Thabeet, Clee and NY 1st for Kaman, Gordan, and Henry.
Well I specifically said it was neither team's thinking. I, personally, would like it because (1) arguing that Minnesota is ONLY battling against Houston for a playoff spot is ignoring the fact that Minnesota is currently behind Portland and Memphis also, who are both also not currently in the playoffs, and (2) while adding Kaman for crap should help the team make the playoffs, adding Kaman for Scola would do the opposite. Kaman is not that good. For the Rockets, I'd love. It'd be a way to pseudo-tank... why the Hornets would want Scola for the Twolves draft pick... no idea, they wouldn't. I was just dreaming
