[Chron] No extensions for Thabeet, T-Will, Flynn, Hill

I recall it differently that the Rockets insisted on having Hill included and the Knicks were balking at it.

Yeah, this was a very low risk move considering Battier was leaving anyway - agreed.

Yep, also agreed.

If we are spending on lottery tickets than why are we not playing those tickets to get higher up in the 2012 lottery? I know, I know...Les...lol.

This was a bad move, giving up a future first - even lottery protected, and then not even giving the guy consistent minutes to learn how to play - bad move.

I do not happen to agree with the way the organization is approaching this, I want them to go young and play them and let the chips fall where they may.

I am also not one who thinks Morey can do no wrong, to me, he has done a better than average job, a solid B, but nothing more than that.

And his picking of McHale is dubious at best.

DD

 

Not quite. I don't think the Rockets can fit two max guys under the cap without a trade, especially if one of the max guys is Dwight Howard, who will be eligible for a "super max" amount of about $19 million.

 

Pardon me sir, but could we not Amnesty Scola?

DD

 

Is it time then?

 

The insistence was more about the protections on the 2011 pick swap and the 2012 pick. The Knicks basically planted a story about how badly the Rockets were insisting on Hill. In reality, the Knicks were not going to give up Gallinari and had little else of value. It was a case of Morey picking at a very bare carcass.

True, yes. But that's not likely to happen in 2012.

So shut up . . . sir.

 

Where did you get the info about the Knicks planting a story, that sounds like one of my assumptions.

I disagree, if Dwight and Dwill are available as a pair, I think they would amnestry Scola or Kmart or any contract they had to, in order to sign both of them, at least they have the option.

The Amnesty is only for 2 more years right? You would think they would use it at some point.

DD

 

You can't fault McHale because the guy is actually trying and really wanted to coach, leave TV station

You on the other hand, don't want to coach yourself because it does not interest you that much, but somehow you still care just enough to poop on Kevin the whole time.

 

I will compliment him when he has earned it, right now, I am not sold on Kevin McHale as our coach.

Time will tell if he is the right guy for the job or not.

DD

 

I'm not 100% sure about the story being an outright plant, but I have it on good authority that the Rockets were not so much enamored with Hill as they were just trying to extract every last ounce of "assets" from New York.

(Also, I forgot to mention that the Rockets actually got another former lottery pick in the McGrady trade: Hilton Armstrong. I don't recall anyone b****ing at Morey when he waived Armstrong later that season. )


The amnesty lasts for the entire life of the new CBA. It's just that the Rockets only have three viable candidates for it, and they just so happen to be their three best players.

I think the Rockets would amnesty Scola if Dwight and Deron were on a conference call with Morey saying that they have their max contracts with the Rockets in front of them and are ready to sign them as soon as he amnesties Scola.

Short of that, I doubt Scola gets amnestied this summer. If he substantially declines next year AND cannot be dumped on another team with cap room in 2013, then I think the Rockets would at least consider amnestying Scola.

 

Good authority huh? Well, I won't bust your chops any more about that....

Either way...tough loss...and I would not have extended any of them either.

Of course I would have played the hell out of them this year to get a good look as I don't think 2 weeks of practice is enough, but whatever, I don't run the team.

DD

 

Thank goodness for that!

Like it or not, the goal of the 2011-12 Houston Rockets is to make the playoffs.

Playing those guys big minutes would have only proven that they are not good enough to win games in the NBA. If it were that easy to dramatically increase players' trade value simply by playing them heavy minutes, you'd probably see a lot more scrubs out there playing for many NBA teams.

The fact is, these guys were not considered to be much more than serviceable fringe rotation players who will help the franchise more as large expiring contracts than on the court.

Nothing that happened (or didn't happen) today changes any of that.


Still, feel free to be critical of Morey, McHale, Les or whoever because things didn't work out perfectly. I'm going to sleep. Goodnight, dude.

 

I disagree with this thought. The guy I keep bringing up in regards to williams is the guys I played against in college, doug christie. He held out in seattle on a stacked team. He got traded to lakers, played. Some, not a lot on a team with guys at his spot. Got traded to the knicks, riley kept him glued on the bench. Got traded to the raptors and then you started to see the talent. He was then traded to the kings for basically nothing and that's when the kings became a more forcefull team. Christie was a 4 yr player at pepperdine with incredible gifts, but it wasn't until his 4th team and 6 or 7th year before his talent came out. If you don't play thses guys, its hard to see the talent. Now if they had no intentions of playing him consistent minutes, why even give up a 1st rd pick for him? He and thabeet are the 2 I would've like to see getting 25 mins a night consitently because of their talent. I won't lose sleep over neither of them though.

 

I am too lazy to go find the post mentioning that neither Bud nor Hill happened to play tonight. I'd think less of it, but McHale played only eight guys. You'd think Hill might have come in handy, even if Bud seems to have fallen out of favor.

Probably doesn't mean anything one way or the other.

 

I don't see the big deal about not giving extensions to the 09ers. Extension means locking these up to lottery contract salaries. You only do it if you think the player will get a contract significantly higher in the open market. In the case of the 09ers I don't think many of them will get contracts significantly higher than their extensions, for example Thabeet certainly won't be making 5M next year.

To be honest only 3 guys deserve to thaier extensions: T-will, Hill and Lee. Lee doesn't want an extension and will probably make more in the summer. There's a high chance no one will offer Hill and T-will more than 3M per year.By not extending them we just got several expiring deals perfect for the trade deadline. I think not extending them and keeping capspace open for a possible deadline deal/fa signing is a good move.

 

That makes sense to me, thx for the explaination. I thought we were just gonna let 09ers go for free. Is it possible we sign both D-Will and D12 during the off season? what other teams have enough salaries space to sign both of them? Dude, I expect good things to happen...

 

to be fair..... the Rockets might not be Sacramento dealing with Christie... we might just be one stop in his career.......

 

For being such a genius, it's amazing how many of Morey's moves have failed. We're left with the defense that, 'Oh, well, at least it was low risk,' but Morey is supposed to be a game-changer himself. Where are the results?

At least he didn't extend options to any of these scrubs. And I do appreciate how quickly he's willing to cut ties to mistakes. But he's having to do a lot of cutting lately considering how much of a great GM he was said to be.

 

He is not cutting any of these guys. He is simply not accepting their option, because they will likely be cheaper on the open market If Daryl is interested.

 

Bima, can you explain not coming to an agreement with C. lee, to me it's just him playing his games to low ball a current player.

 

Yep, same with Lowry, Scola, and Landry. Don't think for a minute that players around the league don't notice this stuff, they clearly do.

DD