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2012 SOTU

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by mc mark, Jan 24, 2012.

  1. DonnyMost

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    Practically speaking, it was given by a Republican President.
     
  2. rocketsjudoka

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    If Obama posted on Clutchfans "Go Rockets!" those guys wouldn't approve.
     
  3. rocketsjudoka

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    You might have a point there.

    Anyway in Mitch Daniels response he brought up many of the same policies that Obama had in the SOTU, revamping he tax code so it is fairer, encouraging more companies bring jobs back to the US and etc..
     
  4. wizkid83

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    I like how Valorita's video choose different benchmarks for different numbers. For example, they pick the 6.8% on Nov '08 when Obama was elected and compare with current unemployment rate of 8.5% instead of Feb '09 (His first full month of office) where the unemployment rate was 8.3%. Yet they have no problem using the month he took office as the benchmark for other data points that better prove their point.

    Usually, when people use numbers to tell a story, I look for these things to make sure they're letting the numbers lead their analysis instead finding numbers to fit their analysis.
     
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    Then please go to a NAACP meeting, and start speaking in the faux ebonics that you type here, and see if people there believe it's racist.

    I understand you may not think it's racist, but I doubt you would speak like that in front of a group of African Americans which would indicate that you are aware it is more than likely offensive.

    I guess it's equally sad that you don't have a clue about racism. But since you have no clue about supporting equal rights for homosexuals it shouldn't be surprising.
     
  6. DonnyMost

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    Seriously man, he's baiting you. Just stop responding.
     
  7. RocketMan Tex

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    What I want to know is....who is the fine MILF with the long blond hair that the camera kept cutting to around the 45 minute mark of the speech? :eek:
     
  8. bigtexxx

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    that was Ann Coulter
     
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  10. subtomic

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    No it wasn't - it was Steve Jobs' wife. Why on earth would Obama invite Ann Coulter and have her sit next to Warren Buffet's secretary?
     
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    LOL!!! How would you know?

    You are such a liar
     
  13. Deckard

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    A good opening by the President for the 2012 campaign. Liberals like me haven't been happy with many of the policies of Mr. Obama, but I'm hoping that, finally, we'll see a very well funded campaign with, at its center, a response that will ring true to the great middle of America. And what is that?

    There is class warfare in this country. The Republican Party is correct. It is the class warfare by the Upper Class against the Middle Class, and the Republican Party picked a side a long time ago. They side with the wealthy. They side with the incredibly rich, such as Romney, who isn't in the 1%, but rather the .006% of the richest in America. They side with those who would slash programs for the disadvantaged to the bone. In other words, the Republican Party is the party of The Few at war against the party of The Many, and it is way past time to end this war, as the real wars are drawing to a close.

    I am the son of parents that grew up during the Great Depression. My father was "farmed out" to relatives in the 1930's because those relatives were willing to take him in, so my grandfather could travel to where the work was, Dad finally living with the family of a high school friend his senior year, when he met my mother. He fought in the Pacific during WWII, being trained by the Navy in radar and electronics along the way. The only reason he was able to go to college, and later buy a house, was a government program, the GI BIll. During the 1950's, as Dad moved up at the university where he went to school on that GI Bill, with two outside jobs to bring in the income, we went from working class, to lower middle class, to plain old middle class. Dad became a department chair and, trying administration, found that being a dean didn't set well with what he liked to do, teach and do research. By the time of his death, he had a 6 figure income and had traveled round the world numerous times doing consulting, and working for USAID during the summers.

    The reason I mention that? My parents "sweated blood" to give their children a life they could only dream of when they were young. That life is disappearing for far too many children and grandchildren of their generation. This is the first generation of Americans in several generations facing a high probability of a lower standard of living than their parents. That is unacceptable. Something has to be done about it. The War of the Upper Class against the Middle Class has to end, with the only outcome that makes sense for America, the the America I grew up in. That outcome is victory for the Middle Class. It's past time to wrap up that war, as we wrap up Iraq and Afghanistan. Far past time. Time to dismiss the Republican rhetoric serving their masters, the rich, and to once again be the country many of us once knew. Last night was a step in the right direction.
     
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    Right on Deckard. My Dad & your dad....very similar situations. Rightfully repped.

    Now...back on the subject at hand...Steve Jobs' wife....me likey very much! :)
     
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    What are some numbers as to how much more money the gov't rakes in with a reformed tax policy? How will other classes actually benefit from these reforms? I'm all for fairness, but I'm more concerned whether this makes us a better economy. How will this "trickle" down, if it even does? Not enough facts, and too much talk about "fairness".
     
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    lmao at the grandparents in this thread describing times of yesteryear

    not relevant, geezers
     
  17. RocketMan Tex

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    Not relevant?

    Pot, meet kettle.

    :grin:
     
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    i agree with this portion of your post, but what makes you think this change is the result of something the wealthy have done, and that the only way to address the problem is to punish success?

    and, it was highly ironic that Jobs' wife was there last night, given apple's operations in china, and huge offshore cash horde. moreover, SJ was very frank when he spoke with Obama about why iPhones were made in China, and how they could never be made in the US.

    how rich was Jobs?
     
  19. DonnyMost

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    biggie's statement, in a nutshell, is why the republicans will lose the 2012 elections overall. zero perspective, out of touch, and more anti-obama than pro-themselves. geezers vote, and they're not voting for the party of zero ideas that basically disassembled the america their parents created and grew up in.
     
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    I would respectfully disagree with this. The standard of living for all americans should be rising as workers are now more productive. However, wages have stagnated (more or less), despite this fact. While it may not be of concern to you, the middle class is what made America so great for so long. Without the middle class, we have no national base of consumers to buy the products we produce. One would think, given your foreign policy views, that you would not be keen on relying on foreign consumers.
     
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