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Lebron is quietly having his best season ever

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by kevC, Jan 25, 2012.

  1. kevC

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    Season    Age  Tm  Lg   G    MP  PER  TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg  OWS  DWS    WS WS/48
    2003-04    19 CLE NBA  79  3122 18.3 .488 .438  3.5 11.8  7.6 27.8  2.2  1.3 13.9 28.2   99  104  2.4  2.6   5.1  .078
    2004-05    20 CLE NBA  80  3388 25.7 .554 .504  3.8 17.0 10.2 32.9  2.8  1.1 11.8 29.7  114  103  9.7  4.6  14.3  .203
    2005-06    21 CLE NBA  79  3361 28.1 .568 .515  2.6 17.1  9.8 32.8  2.0  1.5 10.7 33.6  115  104 12.0  4.3  16.3  .232
    2006-07    22 CLE NBA  78  3190 24.5 .552 .507  3.0 16.6  9.6 29.1  2.1  1.3 11.5 31.0  112  100  8.0  5.7  13.7  .206
    2007-08    23 CLE NBA  75  3027 29.1 .568 .518  4.9 17.8 11.1 37.3  2.4  2.1 11.4 33.5  116  104 10.7  4.6  15.2  .242
    2008-09    24 CLE NBA  81  3054 31.7 .591 .530  4.3 19.0 11.9 38.0  2.4  2.4 11.0 33.8  122   99 13.7  6.5  20.3  .318
    2009-10    25 CLE NBA  76  2966 31.1 .604 .545  3.0 18.5 11.1 41.8  2.2  2.0 12.3 33.5  121  102 13.3  5.2  18.5  .299
    2010-11    26 MIA NBA  79  3063 27.3 .594 .541  3.3 18.7 11.4 34.9  2.1  1.3 13.8 31.5  116  102 10.3  5.3  15.6  .244
    2011-12    27 MIA NBA  16   595 33.7 .614 .568  4.6 20.5 13.0 38.2  2.8  2.0 14.1 33.3  118   96  3.0  1.1   4.1  .333
    Career            NBA 643 25766 27.1 .567 .514  3.6 17.1 10.4 34.3  2.3  1.6 12.0 31.9  115  102 83.2 39.7 123.0  .229
    Perhaps we've grown too accustomed to his greatness, but still I find it bizarre that no one is talking about how absurdly good Lebron has been this season. He's hitting a career high in PER, TS%, and Rebound %. I thought maybe Lebron's days of hitting 30+ PER was over after joining the Big 3 but boy was I wrong.

    He's scoring at an insane efficiency, finishing .767% of his inside shots and his jumper has also been money shooting .516 eFG%. His obscene PER is not just a product of shamelessly increasing his usage rate like Kobe, he's just making more shots and passing better (which is hard to imagine given how good he was already).

    Granted, it's early in the season and the sample size is small with 16 games, and I'm sure he's had 16 game stretches before with this kind of dominance, but if he keeps this up through the whole season, it should be considered the greatest regular season ever by a player. HOLY SH-T.
     
  2. sealclubber1016

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    LeBron has proven to be a beast, but he could go 30-10-10 and nobody would care.


    He's above regular season judgements, until he plays great in a title win he's gonna take crap, and deservedly so.


    Wanna walk with the gods, you gotta be judged like one. He hasn't delivered when it matters most.
     
  3. Yung-T

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    [random clutchfan member bashig lebron post].
    He has no rings and didn't score many gamewinners which are the only indication of how good a player is! Did you see him in the Dallas series??? LEBRICK HAHA...
    And Kobe still has more rings, LeDouche hasn't won anything haha. And guess what, he's only the SECOND best player on his own team, ***** all stats that indicate something different, stats are for losers.
    [/random clutchfan member bashing lebron post].

    Not surprised, Bron will continue to get better and is by no doubts the best player in the world. He could win MVP for 5+ seasons straight.
     
  4. VBG

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    There really should not even be an MVP debate right now. Lebron has been that dominant.
     
  5. heypartner

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    It does make sense that when you surround him with better players his PER, TS% and eFG% should go up. His PER and efficiency with Wade, Bosh and company should be better, right? -- similar to how an entire team's efficiency should increase. Last year the Big 3 were feeling out their roles. This year they know better what they want to do, and they do have better role playing cast.

    Not to knock Lebron at all, he's unstoppable. But it would be interesting if there were a stat to show what his efficiency is relative to the average player on Miami vs Cleveland. For instance, PER has a known league average. What happens if you normalize that to Miami's average instead and compare that to a PER normalized to Cleveland's average player when he played for them?

    Also, I haven't seen too many Miami games. What in terms of non-stat improvements would you point to? Is it low post game/tools improvement or mental/focus/etc?
     
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    Legacies are made in the post-season, not in the regular season. Everyone knows he's a great regular season player. He'll have more pressure than ever to win a ring this year. We know how he responds to pressure.
     
  7. javal_lon

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    The Peyton Manning of the NBA
     
  8. VBG

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    You mean by destroying the Celtics and Bulls in the 4th quarter again right?

    Because he absolutely annihilated them in the 4th quarter of crucial playoff games in Chicago and Boston.
     
  9. liunatic

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    But Peyton has a Championship
     
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  10. IndianPlaya

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    And also how he disappeared in the Finals against Dallas? The biggest single season decrease in PPG from regular season to NBA Finals in NBA History?

    And also the way he choked against Boston in 2010?

    Yes, that Lebron. The chokemaster.
     
  11. francis 4 prez

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    TS% and eFG% maybe, but not PER necessarily. PER measures production and efficiency and playing with better players tends to hurt the production part of the equation. which is why bosh's PER has taken a solid hit since joining the heat because he obviously is getting fewer touches as the #3 guy than as the 1st option in toronto.


    i'm not sure that really works. all it would really show is how much better you are than your teammates, which would look better with bad teammates and worse with good teammates. for this season, lebron is leading the league in Win Shares by a pretty good margin and his team doesn't have the best record so he'd probably look much better than his teammates this season compared to previous seasons. last year, he might have been pretty similar to his last 2 cleveland years. those teams won 61 and 66 with lebron posting 30+ PER's and the first miami team only won 58 with lebron around a 27 PER (this year's miami team would be on pace for 58 wins again in an 82 game season).

    i haven't seen too many either but i haven't really noticed this supposed low-post transformation in the games i've watched. i feel like it's one of those stories that was already written before anything happened and now any time lebron posts up it's "look he's posting up, like we all said he should and assumed he would after working on it in the offseason, that's clearly a huge reason for his great start whether he's actually posting up more and being more effective down there or not. let's just assume he is." but maybe in the games i haven't watched it's been more prevalent.

    the biggest reason lebron's PER and WS/48 are so high right now (given that his current PER would shatter the record, it will obviously start coming down) is that he is shooting a ridiculous percentage from the field and his stats are still his usual stats but he's playing fewer minutes. also, since PER is adjusted for the league average and the league has taken a huge offensive hit so far this year, even keeping the same numbers as previous years would increase your PER anyway.


    i wonder where his FG% will end up. if you look at last year, he was on a tear to end the season shooting-wise. i think in the last 32 games he only had 1 game where he shot under 40% or something crazy and unbelievably consistent like that (maybe it was 3 and only 1 was under 38%). so through 16 games he seems to largely be picking up where he left off in that regard.
     
  12. BONIERO1576

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    I've already heard on a couple of sports shows the suggestion that the Heat are better without Wade. We should be familiar with this type of stuff considering we heard it everytime Yao went down and the team continued to preform well.

    Kudos to LeBron, I think the Heat are on a mission this season. There hasn't been any extracirricular nonesense from them. Even though they've had a couple of bad losses they have just been very business-like in winning.

    The Shane effect?
     
  13. REEKO_HTOWN

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    more like the Philip Rivers of the NBA.
     
  14. VBG

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    Or how about how he led probably the worst team ever to make the NBA Finals in 2007 and scored 25 straight in the 4th quarter and OT for the Cavs?
     
  15. kevC

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    Except Philip Rivers has not been the best player in the NFL the past five years.
     
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    Lebron's greatness isn't judged by regular season or the first 3 rounds of the playoffs. It's Finals or bust from here on out until he retires.

    But yes, he's been far and away the best player so far again this year.
     
  17. pmac

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    Even then people would find something to complain about. Wade would have to be hurt for the entire Finals or retired for Lebron to get respect.
     
  18. Ricksmith

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    Peyton was 31 when he won the Superbowl. Lebron's got time.
     
  19. SamFisher

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    So we have examples, half of which consist of him being awesome, half of which consist of him being shut down.

    So I'm guessing then, that his clutch performance isn't 100%, nor is it 0%, it's probably closer to 50%, based on those 4 data points, so it's prbobablyl inaccruate to label him a chokemaster, or legendary dominator.
     
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    [OHMSS]Lebron would not be a starter in the Euroleague.[/OHMSS] ;)
     

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