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Rudy Gay's about to show the world he's on Durant's level

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  1. GreatOne1978

    GreatOne1978 Member

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    I like Rudy Gay but like the poster above said I'd take about 10 SF's instead of Rudy

    Durant, Lebron, Melo, Luol Deng Josh Smith, Gerald Wallace, Gallinari, Pierce, Shawn Marion, Caron Butler, Thaddeus Young
     
    #221 GreatOne1978, Jan 24, 2012
  2. Asian Sensation

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    Don't forget Danny Granger, Paul George and Iggy.
     
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  3. what

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    lets's not forget ariza, t.prince, batum, Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, Corey Maggette, Dorell Wright and hedo.
     
    #223 what, Jan 24, 2012
  4. GreatOne1978

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    yea add Matt Barnes, Luke Walton and Metta World peace too

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    #224 GreatOne1978, Jan 24, 2012
  5. Kwame

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    C'mon fellas, we gotta include Richard Jefferson, Carlos Delfino, Mike Miller, Omri Casspi, Josh Howard, and the "no-stats all-star" himself.
     
    #225 Kwame, Jan 24, 2012
  6. MemphisX

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    ...:p
     
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  7. SamFisher

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    Maybe in the last year of his contract when he's expiring. Lowry otherwise literally blows him out of the water. Way more production, for a third of the price.

    With Rudy Gay, you're stuck paying 18 million dollars for 18 points on 18 shots.

    Realizing that he's a low efficiency player isn't really an advanced statistic, and you guys really discredit yourselves when you pretend like it is when you pile on to the DaDakota Tony Siragusa routine or the back-in-tha-day spiel...the only advanced understanding it requires is that basketball games aren't infinitely long.
     
    #227 SamFisher, Jan 24, 2012
  8. leebigez

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    Yeah, just like someone making up stuff. He's never taken 18 shots per game in his entire career. Btw, did you see the shot vs gsw at the end of the game? Probably not.
     
    #228 leebigez, Jan 24, 2012
  9. leebigez

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    Dumb statement. You're not a dump person
     
    #229 leebigez, Jan 24, 2012
  10. SamFisher

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    Wow you got me stat man, he's only averaging 16.9....nevermind.
     
    #230 SamFisher, Jan 24, 2012
  11. dharocks

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    How on earth have any of you convinced yourselves that Rudy Gay is more than a pretty good player?

    He's a pretty good scorer, but not overly efficient. He's a pretty good rebounder. He's a good defender.

    People look at his amazing size and athleticism and are waiting for his game to catch up with it. Newsflash guys, it isn't going to. He is what he is. If he were to make the jump to elite player now, in his sixth year in the league, after getting heavy minutes and being THE SAME EXACT PLAYER for four straight years, it would be unprecedented in the history of the NBA.
     
    #231 dharocks, Jan 24, 2012
  12. leebigez

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    Yeah, I'm sure that 1 shot doesn't matter to ur lies. Not to mention he's never taken 18 fga per game. Yep, just keep chiming in on games and plyers you never watch. Don't you have to chase DD around on this forum?
     
    #232 leebigez, Jan 24, 2012
  13. what

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    Things I'd like to understand: how does the amount of shots one takes alone equate to a players' efficiency? If you take 25 shots, and make them all I'd say you are pretty efficient.

    Take this a little further: last year kevin durant took 19.7 shots a game on .462 % shooting, which was more shots with less efficiency than Gay who took 16.1 shots and .471 %.

    This year gay is at .471 shooting.

    Take this even further. Last year gay made 7.6 of his 16.1 shots and 3.6 of his 4.5 fts, so out of 16.1 shots he made positive points on 11.1.

    Yeah, he's terribly inefficient player.
     
    #233 what, Jan 24, 2012
  14. dharocks

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    You're misunderstanding the argument about efficiency.

    Take a look at Ron Mercer. He's a classic example. He was heavily reliant on his mid-range jumper, and as a result didn't get many FTAs, though he was a good FT shooter. He also didn't have 3pt range.

    In 2000-01, Mercer averaged 18.4 FGAs per game, and converted at a more than respectable 44.6%. However, he only averaged 19.7 PPG.

    Contrast that with Kevin Martin in 2010-11: Despite converting on on just 43.6% of his FGAs, because he took (and made) a lot of threes and took 8.4 FTAs per game, he averaged 23.5 PPG on 15.8 shots.

    Now let's talk about Rudy. Yes, his FG% is quite good (47% last year and this year). However, he doesn't take many threes, and he doesn't get to the line at an impressive rate. That's what separates him as a scorer from a guy like Durant, who also shoots a high percentage, takes more 3PAs and gets to the line with much greater frequency.

    EDIT: A note about mid-range jumpers, particularly fall-away jumpers... They're an important weapon in a scorer's arsenal, but they're generally the least efficient shot to take. As they usually don't lead to free throws, in order to match the efficiency of a 3PA from a 3pt shooter who hits a third of their shots from beyond the arc (33.3%), one must hit greater than 50% of their mid range jumpers. That's why I'm not a huge fan of guys who make a living shooting mid-range shots and turnaround fallaways.
     
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  15. MemphisX

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    Kevin Martin has been an advanced metrics wunderkind but the teams he plays on are not worth a crap. Go figure...

    You take Martin, I'll take Rudy.
     
    #235 MemphisX, Jan 24, 2012
  16. robbie380

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    True shooting percentage how does it work?

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holl...r/statistics?position=sf&sort=trueShootingPct

    Seriously, you are trying waaaaay to hard to play stupid.
     
    #236 robbie380, Jan 24, 2012
  17. dharocks

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    Way to let the point fly completely over your head. I was comparing him to Mercer, genius.

    And Martin's a lot closer to Rudy's level than Rudy is to Durant.
     
    #237 dharocks, Jan 24, 2012
  18. what

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    This is so nonsensical. So he is not efficient because, even though he is efficient by the stats, he don't shoot enough 3s to be efficient. He doesn't get bailed out by the ref enough to be efficient?

    Do you know why durant's shooting % dipped last year? It was because, BECAUSE, he was jacking up 3s at a rate of 5.3 a game. Efficiency is not jacking up 3s.

    and by the way, Rudy hasn't been 44.6 % since his rookie year in shooting percentage. That was 6 years ago. you might think he is ron mercer and this nonsense about mid range jump shooters being inefficient because of mid range shooters don't take difficult shots which is again another fallacy.

    The mid range shot, in point of fact, is the more difficult shot according to one of the announcers last night who explained the lack of the mid range game is because it goes into the heart of the defense to take the shot.
     
    #238 what, Jan 24, 2012
  19. dharocks

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    ... Is it even worth it, guys? I honestly figured all basketball fans at this point understood the concept of points per shot.
     
    #239 dharocks, Jan 24, 2012
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    #240 what, Jan 24, 2012
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