this. morey has drafted servicable, contributing players every draft he has been here. or he has turned those players around for something. in reality he has only two speculative albatrosses in batum or jordan. other than that he has been....wait for it....money.
You can very well be the Wizards or the Kings: see no improvement after several years of accumulating draft picks and wondering if you should "re-rebuild."
Silly people. Openly tanking in the nba is like being openly gay in the military. Don't ask don't tell if u dont want to be dishonorably discharged. In the nba u'd be fined and ripped a new one for openly tanking. I don't see washington owner proud n openly tanking. So don't be silly with these les owner tanking threads
the rockets are not going to tank this season we just saw it tonight , i hope 4 some good trades yeyyyy :grin:
Condoning tanking fails to take into account the assets we have accumulated that will allow us to move up in the draft. The theory that we cannot have a high draft pick while fostering the best record possible is flawed. Domo
Yeah that pacers team also never won a ring. Hey if you are happy with second.place fine by me. but I got a feeling the rest of the board wants our team to win it all. We need that superstar power. this years draft has a few players that will get there. I am banking on tanking and getting us that pick. Anthony Davis or Drummond is who I want on this roster and if we have to trade an arm and leg for one of them then we best do it. Big men with that sort of talent don't just appear every year. That's a corner stone to build on and with Morey he'll get thw talent to surround him.
Thanks man! Good to see that someone finally understands what I'm saying. Our team could very well be at the bottom of the league and still trying to rebuild year after year. People think tanking is some magic formula! I dare someone to show me five examples of an instance of where teams absolutely tanked on purpose and won an NBA Championship in the process!
The Wizards are bad because they gave Arenas that ridiculous contract. The guy was injured when they gave it to him. That is just bad front office work. The Kings are in a much better situation than us. If they can get a perry jones, drummond, davis, or barnes in this draft they will have a real nice young core. All we really need to do is move Martin and Scola and we will be going in the right direction. By the end of the year Martin will be 29 and Scola will be 32. We are at least 2-3 years away from competing minus a blockbuster trade so by the time we get there they will both likely be on the downside of their careers. I just don't understand holding on to those two guys.
Five examples of teams winning championships by tanking is a hell of a request. How about the Rockets and Spurs tanking to get Olajuwon and Duncan, respectively? Those two franchises have won a third of the last 18 NBA titles.
It took nearly 15 years for Chicago to become relevant again after the MJ era. Do you really want to follow their lead and wait until 2025, or later, to have a mere chance at a championship again? Meanwhile having to suffer through year after year of pure sucking. That would make mediocrity seem very appealing. And the same people who're pro-tanking now, would say in 2025, at least in 2012 we had Lowery, Martin and Scola, instead of all of these worthless busts. Look at the Clippers, they haven't been out of the first round since 1976. Many here weren't even born before '76 and they've had multiple lottery picks since that time.
Well to be fair, they ARE tied for 2nd in the East. Not saying I agree with him, but at least he's basing his point on SOMETHING right? Bottom line is that teams need a 'star' to contend. But not simply a star, also complimentary pieces. There are various ways to get that star, the problem with sucking is that you then need to assemble the 'complimentary cast' and ALSO rebuild a 'winning culture'. Those things take time - and unfortunately your star might bolt 4 years after being drafted because he wants to 'contend'. Taking the 'best case scenario' as OKC - this is Durant's 5th year in the league, and OKC is only just now starting to become a force. It's sometimes quicker to generate a winning culture, 'upvalue' players and keep making 'improvement' moves, hang around the playoffs and keep nudging upwards and suddenly a star is going to want to jump on board, steer the ship and take the wonderful ensemble to the promised land. We are now in 'year 1' of the 'post Yao' era. If we somehow manage to jag the number 1 pick next year and are fortunate enough to have a Durant level talent available (please note, not all drafts contain a superstar) then we might have another 5 years to wait simply to be a contender again. I prefer the other option - win games, talk trades, keep salary cap flexibility, end of roster churn and talk to every star FA every year. Sooner or later someone is going to want to come play here!
That is just flat out wrong. The baby bulls were a playoff team from 2005-2007 and then missed out on the playoffs in 08 and got Rose. Also when Jordan left the Bulls were an older team without a lot of young talent so its a different situation. We could trade our veterans and still have a lot of good young talent on this team to make a quick turn around.
Dude, I picked the Pacers to say that it's possible to go from being mediocre to becoming a contender simply by being patient and going with what you have. They were unable to win with the teams that they had put together, but that was mainly for two reasons... 1) Michael Jordan 2) Ron Artest If the Pacers had been inclined to tank, what player could they have tanked for that would have possibly taken them over the top to beat out the Bulls? Would they even have been able to maintain their chemistry?! I don't think there was any player that could have taken them over the hump. The Bulls were simply too much for anyone and there was nothing any team could do. Two years later the Pacers were back in the NBA Finals and lost to the Lakers in the Finals. Neither Shaq nor Kobe were on the Lakers, by the way, because the Lakers tanked. The Pacers rebuilt their team again after Reggie retired by trading away Jalen (#13 pick) Rose and Travis Best (#23 pick) for Brad Miller (undrafted) and Ron Artest (#13 pick) who later made All Star appearances. Even Jermaine O'Neal (#17 pick) made the All Star game a few times. This team didn't even get to play together for more than two years before the Brawl at Auburn Palace occurred. After that the team was pretty much in shambles. The Pacers would probably have been able to beat the Pistons that year and won the NBA Championship if it weren't for the brawl. The Pacers were able to build some pretty darn good teams without tanking. It *appears* that they are actually doing it again by looking at their record this season...
You're right, but most aren't talking about merely making the playoffs, they're wanting to win it all. The "Baby Bulls" didn't win a championship and only now really have a good chance. Assuming they can get past Miami.
