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Lowry Needs Help To Make All-Star Game

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jaybiddyforeal, Jan 11, 2012.

  1. durvasa

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    They are roughly the same team as last year, maybe a shade worse if they don't bring in another player. They'll win about half their games and probably just miss the playoffs.

    Suffice it to say, I strongly disagree with your second comment.
     
  2. RedStaag

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    Whenever Lowry has a big game, the Rox are likely to lose that game. Go look it up

    2) We are not going to average this season again, we are lottery bound or we r a top 5 team in the playoffs. I say this because of who our new coach is. McHale either wants to dead last for the picks or top 5 for the playoffs, he doesnt do averages
     
  3. MorningZippo

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    1)Isn't weird that Lowry also has good stats in our wins?

    2) all signs point to us being an average team, in every measurable statistical category. Also, I seriously doubt that McHale gets to choose "to dead last for picks or top 5 for the playoffs." This is the NBA, not wrestling. Just because "he doesnt do averages" doesn't mean the rest of the NBA does.
     
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    edit.
     
  5. RedStaag

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    Lowry is averaging 19.2pts 5.6 reb 8.2ast in our wins, In our losses he is averaging 8pts 8.6reb 11.3ast- the ast might be inflated by his 18ast outing that night.

    But do you see, everytime Lowry wants to be captain save the day and take over scoring, we lose- but when he gets his teammates involved and doesnt worry about scoring, we win.
    In 2 of our wins this year, Lowry only scored 2pts and 6pts.

    How is that for stats
     
  6. RedStaag

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    i got it backwards- LOSSES- 19.2pts 5.6 reb 8.2ast
    WINS- 8pts 8.6reb 11.3ast
     
  7. RocketsRed14

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    You also forgot to mention that in those losses we were simply outmatched and played little to no defense. We lost to the lakers, grizzlies because bigs were simply outmatched. Lost to the magic, thunder, and clipper because overall poor defense, great opponent shooting. In fact, in lot of those no one stepped up and only he competed the rest of the game when everyone else gave up.
     
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    After the anger issues that have appeared, here's the help he's gonna need:

    "Serenity now!"

    It seemed like his anger was hurting us last night. He did hit those clutch 3's, but they seemed like lucky shots rather than actually being clutch.

    And I think his anger permeates the TV set, cause I was pretty pissed at the end too ...
     
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    Oh, and nice job OP! Quite impressive, from one nationally published author to another :)
     
  10. durvasa

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    What does "big game" mean? Since you say "look it up", I agree let's do that.

    Lowry, first of all, does a lot of things that are not reflected in the boxscore. He can be the best player on the floor for us without putting up great scoring numbers, as he has been in our wins. This is why, irrespective of how many points he's scoring, the team simply tends to play much better when he's on the floor versus when he's off the floor. This has been the case for the last 2 seasons, and it will be the case this season as well once we have enough games for a reasonable sample. Below, I show all of Kyle Lowry's games last season and so far this season. In particular, I am plotting his Game Score Rating, which rates his statistics in the box score, versus his plus-minus which corresponds to how well the team played with him on the floor:

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    The data shows that the Rockets were outscored 29 times in Lowry's 83 games over the span (only 35% of his games). The relationship between Lowry's boxscore stats and the team's performance is not nearly as pronounced as with Martin (as I show below), for the reason I already gave. He does way more for the team than what is reflected in the boxscore. However, the data does show you are wrong if you think that when Lowry has a good game (even purely based on the boxscore) the team tends to lose.


    For a player like Kevin Martin, "big game" is directly connected to what he does in the boxscore. He's a 1-dimensional scorer, so if he scores big then he's probably helping us, if he scores poorly than he's definitely hurting us. Thus:

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    The Rockets were outscored 40 times with Martin on the floor in those 90 games (44% of his games). The graph shows that there is certainly a clear relationship between the games in which the team struggles (or does well) and Martin's production in the box score. That is totally expected, because the only thing he's really expected to do is score a lot and do so efficiently. I'm not saying that isn't important, but I don't need to look at anything but the boxscore to know if he had a good game.
     
  11. jaybiddyforeal

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    You logic is actually backwards.

    We don't lose because Lowry shoots.

    Lowry is shooting because we are losing.

    -James
     
  12. RedStaag

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    Lowry happens to play at a position where every good thing he does is reflected on the box-score.
    Lowry plays almost the whole game, so ofcourse, he's gonna avergae a high number of assists and points. John Lucas scored 25 points last night, it took him 28 shots and staying on court for the whole game to do it.

    Is Lowry playing out of his mind this season yeah, but its also weird that he scored 2pts, 6pts, and 16pts in our wins this year, and in our losses- padded his stats.
    Meaning that when he goes on a one man wrecking crew, he hurts this team, but ****, he gets his while the team loses.

    Honestly, for those b****ing about Martin, get a grip. He was never known as a defensive expert before he got here. So i dont know why anyone is all surprised and **** now.
    And the Rockets gambled after David Stern vetoed that trade, byt not trying to trade a jilted Martin to another team. Its a risk the team took, and obviously we can all see that the vetoed trade is messing up Martin's game and confidence- which is perfectly fine with me- cos the lil ***** is human
     
  13. RedStaag

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    Just like a qb is the first player to blame for losses in a football game. The pg is usually the primary ball handler and on court coach except on teams like Lakers where the best player plays another position. But on our team, Lowry has the green lights to do whatever he wants
     
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    Do you even know what stat-padding means?

    Stat padding would be when we are down 30, our players are going against the other teams backups in garbage time. That doesn't happen.

    Its quite possible to be a very good player on a very bad team. See Kevin Love last year.

    Im not sure what your argument is but it seems like you think Kyle only cares about his own stats and not winning the game. If so, god help you my brotha.

    -James
     
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    As I said, I don't agree with that at all. Lowry brings a lot more to the table than points and assists.

    Just a few quotes last year from Adelman about Lowry:

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    "Kyle has been the guy that we've leaned on," Adelman said. "He's been our playmaker. He's just been terrific."[/rquoter]

    On leadership:

    [rquoter]
    "Our players watch Kyle and they watch Chuck and they see what they do," Adelman said. "They respect that. They listen. It's how you play the game. There is all kinds of leadership, but they have to respect the person. Everybody on this team respects Kyle and Chuck."[/rquoter]
     
  16. RedStaag

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    What else does he bring apart from points and assists, probably rebounds, thats about it. And the statement by adelman is a non-brainer, exactly what i said- he's the on court coach as a pg- the playmaker
     
  17. jaybiddyforeal

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    Hustle, leadership, defense, heart, determination, passion...

    You know, the stuff you wish every player on your team had.

    -James
     
  18. durvasa

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    His role is to be an on-court coach, a playmaker, someone who understands the strengths and weaknesses of all the other players on the floor, and you think all there is to that is points and assists?

    Marbury put up better looking boxscore numbers than Jason Kidd for many years. Both were PGs. Who contributed more to their team's success?
     
  19. gah

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    By his sound logic, if we sign Phil Jackson right now, we're going to be the champions because he doesn't do anything below that. smh
     

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