Why did Carroll Dawson trade Rudy Gay for Battier???????

They didn't trade a top 10 pick. They traded Rudy Gay. This wasn't a draft where Amare or Dirk or T-Mac is at number 9. This isn't a draft where Kobe's available until 13. This was a draft where Rudy Gay was available at number 8. So discussing the concept of top 10 picks is useless. Because each year the draft is different.

Also, Rudy Gay SUCKED during the years when we were relevant. The guy gave up a hell of a lot more than he scored. He was a volume shooter stat padding on a bad team. His numbers would've never happened in Houston where we played a slower pace and the touches go through T-Mac and Yao.

Rudy Gay had "some" value, not a lot, but "some" value as a volume shooter. On a team where he was likely getting 8-10 shots per game, his defensive liability would've killed us. Yao would've fouled out of half our games.

 

Bottom line is we weren't going to win a championship anyway without McGrady and Yao healthy. I really don't see how Rudy Gay instead of Shane Battier changes that. Gay has won 36% of the games he's played as an NBA player. Its not like he's a major impact player on his own. I see him as an offensively skilled complementary piece. He's more on Kevin Martin's level, though he has the potential to be a 2-way player. That said, he can do a lot to change my opinion of him this year if he steps up and takes control of the Grizzlies in Randolph's absence. I've been less than impressed so far.

 

I have three question for you:

What did the Rockets win even when everybody was healthy after they traded their top ten pick for a "win-now" role player while having home-court advantage in the first round?

Also, other than the Rockets, when has a team traded a top ten pick for a role player EVER in NBA history? Don't bring up Stro's mle contract as a justification, because it makes you look desperate since mle contracts are easy to move.

One last question: How many players in the NBA and how many players on the Rockets can do the things that Rudy Gay does in the video below?

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Don't be dismissive and don't try and play semantics....just answer the questions.

 

Or Chandler Parsons.

 

Would love to have some Gay Love....now......

lol...............not seriously.......

Rudy and Kevin....would be a dream combo

 

I’m not saying it was a franchise crippling mistake, because you’re right, Gay's not a superstar. But I would agree with Kwame that the people trashing him either have no clue or don’t want to admit the Rockets could have made a mistake. The talent level between Gay and Battier is just too far apart to say it wasn’t that bad.

And actually, if Jonas Valanciunas comes over and becomes a top 5 center, I would argue that it actually was a franchise crippling mistake...

 

What's the connection? I missed it.

 

Cleveland offered up their #4 pick in the past draft for Gay. So even though people here sneeze at Gay, he's actually quite the valuable asset.

 

1.) The Rockets were perennial contenders when healthy. They got unlucky matchups and never got passed the Jazz when healthy. The culmination was the 2008-2009 team where we were lined up to be the most stacked team in the NBA. 2010 and 2011 likely would been the same story. Unfortunately, Yao and Mac had swift declines

2.)
- Mavericks traded Jay Vincent to Bullets for 1990 first round pick (#9-Willie Burton) on 1986-09-03
-Nuggets traded Michael Adams, 1991 first round pick (#19-LaBradford Smith), future considerations (?) to Bullets for 1991 first round pick (#8-Mark Macon) on 1991-06-11
- Pistons traded John Salley to Heat for Isaiah Morris, 1993 first round pick (#10-Lindsey Hunter) on 1992-09-08
-Suns traded rights to Jayson Williams to 76ers for first round pick (1994 #6-Sharone Wright) on 1990-10-28
-Blazers traded 1995 first round pick (#18-Theo Ratliff), 1995 first round pick (#19-Randolph Childress), 1995 second round pick (#58-Don Reid) to Pistons for 1995 first round pick (#8-Shawn Respert) on 1995-06-27
-Hawks raded Mookie Blaylock, 1999 first round pick (#21-Jeff Foster) to Warriors for Bimbo Coles, Duane Ferrell, 1999 first round pick (#10-Jason Terry) on 1999-06-29
-Magic traded Johnny Taylor, rights to Keon Clark to Nuggets for less favorable of Nuggets or Bucks 1999 first round picks, or Nuggets 2000 first round pick (Magic's option) (2000 #10-Keyon Dooling) on 1999-01-21
-Clippers traded Lorenzen Wright to Hawks for conditional first round pick (lottery protected) (2000 #18-Quentin Richardson), 2002 conditional first round pick (top 4 protected) (#8-Chris Wilcox) on 1999-08-08
-Timberwolves traded Randy Foye, Mike Miller to Wizards for Etan Thomas, Darius Songaila, Oleksiy Pecherov, 2009 first round pick (#5-Ricky ;Rubio) on 2009-06-24

3.) LOL A HIGHLIGHT VIDEO

 

This is pathetic. Of course it was a huge blunder. Top 8 picks dont grow on trees and we will never trade any of our role players or any combination of 3 of them for a top 8 pick ever. It was a colossal failure on the front offices part. Thats why Jerry West saw this rookie GM and called him up and asked him for his 8th pick in the draft because thats what veteran savvy front offices do.

 

Seconded. Rockets were one rebound away from victory..... a Robert Horry away from maybe the WC finals

 

lol people overrate Gay on this board. There are some Griz fans who feel he does not impact the game, they thought they were better when he went down last year. And they are still complaining, the grizzlies are off to a slow start.

 

He is a better rebounder than Shane..... Maybe that could have gotten us the edge in the rebounding battle with Utah

 

Maybe they are just disappointed he is no Lebron, Durant..... He is just a 3rd tier player..... very versatile, give you 18 ppg.....7 rbs.....some clutch shots

 

So your reply to my question is just a bunch of excuses and a long-winded way of saying the Rockets won nothing when they were in "win-now" mode. Unlucky match-ups? Contenders make their own luck. Like putting away a team when you're up 2-0 in the playoffs going back to your home court for 2 games or having home court advantage in the first round against a lower seed, especially after you traded a top ten pick for your "win-now" role player.

You've always been a pretty big apologist and somebody who won't criticize the organization no matter what, but this is pretty sad even for you. Lol,
well maybe not as sad as the highlight reel of Battier's cuts to the basket you were gonna prepare for us or the report card you gave the Rockets:

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=185263

The funny part is that when people justifiably criticized the grades you gave, you questioned their fanhood:

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=5247071&postcount=32

Thus, it's well known that you're an apologist for the organization and a blind worshiper of all things Morey (you did call yourself a Morey-ite in your sig for a while). Either way, the fact that the Rockets were in the lottery as a result of injuries in the first place should have been an indicator that the team had some serious flaws that a role player wasn't going to fix, much less help them "win now."

Lol, nice try. I give you credit for doing your homework, but I wouldn't give you a good grade. The majority of those deals involved multiple picks and/or players.

Jayson Williams was traded on draft day as a lottery pick for a future pick.

I suggest you go and look up some of those players and you'll see they were more than role players. For example, when Michael Adams was traded he was averaging 26 ppg, 10 apg, 4 rpg, and 2 spg. Jay Vincent, the brother of Sam, minus the one season he was injured averaged 18 ppg on almost 50% shooting, 7 rpg, plus solid D. Either way, your use of both of these examples as an attempt to answer my sincere question is moot, because like many of your other examples, the player was traded for a FUTURE first round pick (see below).

Also, there's a HUGE difference between willfully trading away a top 10 pick and trading away a future pick which may or may not be a lottery pick. Either you're being ignorant or dishonest, but either way, once again, you fail.

A highlight video of buzzer beaters and game winners over the likes of Tim Duncan, Kevin Durant, and LeBron James. You can dismiss his clutch ability to close games with a 'LOL,' but that's probably because you have nothing to say.

The question still remains: How many players in the NBA and how many players on the Rockets can do the things that Rudy Gay does in that video?

We're dealing with blind supporters of the organization for the most part. The front office can do no wrong in their eyes. They'll look for any reason to justify any action the Rockets management takes. Once you disprove one line of reasoning, they'll look for another or any little technicality to try and "get you" and "win" the argument to show that management can do no wrong. They'll just keep going on and on like this...their logic is circular and they're unable or unwilling to think critically. Blind support and hero worship are never good things in any aspect of life.

 

We needed Shane for his perimeter defense, it was the right move to make at the time. We also dumped Swift and his contract off on the Grizzlies. After the trade I think Yao and Tmac only made it to the playoffs healthy together once and that was when Yao was coming back from injury. In hindsight it was a bad move but one could not have predicted the barrage of injuries.